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		<title>By: not my article: as a woman? &#171; picture of experience</title>
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		<dc:creator>not my article: as a woman? &#171; picture of experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my article: as a&#160;woman?  this morning i read the latest post over at the segullah blog. by the end of it, i was in tears. i would send you all over to read it, which i am telling you to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my article: as a&nbsp;woman?  this morning i read the latest post over at the segullah blog. by the end of it, i was in tears. i would send you all over to read it, which i am telling you to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kelly miller</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-125162</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thou whose bowels are filled with mercy
I call to Thee, as one infirm
Ease my fears as hands now hurt me
And that this babe in me will turn

Here my flesh is sick nigh to death
As I cramp and bleed from the womb
Might Thou bless me with peaceful breath
That this infant in me might bloom?

If Thou calls me, save this baby
That my suff&#039;ring not be in waste
While Thy Light is still inside me
I give thanks for Thine atoning grace

In memory of all the women who used to die in labor-
This post came as a blessing to me.  I thought I could not cry for my daughter who stole from us yesterday and our relationship is severed at this time.  I feel like part of me has died.  Thank you Segullah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thou whose bowels are filled with mercy<br />
I call to Thee, as one infirm<br />
Ease my fears as hands now hurt me<br />
And that this babe in me will turn</p>
<p>Here my flesh is sick nigh to death<br />
As I cramp and bleed from the womb<br />
Might Thou bless me with peaceful breath<br />
That this infant in me might bloom?</p>
<p>If Thou calls me, save this baby<br />
That my suff&#8217;ring not be in waste<br />
While Thy Light is still inside me<br />
I give thanks for Thine atoning grace</p>
<p>In memory of all the women who used to die in labor-<br />
This post came as a blessing to me.  I thought I could not cry for my daughter who stole from us yesterday and our relationship is severed at this time.  I feel like part of me has died.  Thank you Segullah</p>
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		<title>By: eljee</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124630</link>
		<dc:creator>eljee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I believe that He has in some way vicariously experienced every single mortal experience that any of us, women or men, experience.  I don&#039;t know how.  But I believe He has, otherwise He could not succor us the way we need to be succored, and He would not be able to judge us.  

As far as comparing our own personal experiences to the Atonement, I doubt there&#039;s any one of us who would claim that we&#039;d had an experience that matched the Atonement in intensity.  But we all have our Gethsemanes.  I think God wants us to have some small understanding of what He experienced us, and so He gives us mortal experiences that are &quot;types&quot; of what His was.  This happens throughout the scriptures, so why wouldn&#039;t it happen to us too?  In my case, the experience of watching my son&#039;s birthmother lay him in my arms and walk away is a &quot;type&quot; for me--to watch someone go through the most unspeakable anguish possible and me be the beneficiary of that pain, well, that brings my thoughts to the Atonement in a very profound way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I believe that He has in some way vicariously experienced every single mortal experience that any of us, women or men, experience.  I don&#8217;t know how.  But I believe He has, otherwise He could not succor us the way we need to be succored, and He would not be able to judge us.  </p>
<p>As far as comparing our own personal experiences to the Atonement, I doubt there&#8217;s any one of us who would claim that we&#8217;d had an experience that matched the Atonement in intensity.  But we all have our Gethsemanes.  I think God wants us to have some small understanding of what He experienced us, and so He gives us mortal experiences that are &#8220;types&#8221; of what His was.  This happens throughout the scriptures, so why wouldn&#8217;t it happen to us too?  In my case, the experience of watching my son&#8217;s birthmother lay him in my arms and walk away is a &#8220;type&#8221; for me&#8211;to watch someone go through the most unspeakable anguish possible and me be the beneficiary of that pain, well, that brings my thoughts to the Atonement in a very profound way.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124624</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I had never read Sister Okazaki’s quotation, I had thought of this before when a friend once remarked that “only a mother knows what it is like for a mother to lose a child.”

While I didn’t respond, I thought to myself “well I know of one non-mother who knows—Jesus Christ”.  Furthermore, men, (and women and children who have never gone through child-birth) might also know because the scriptures state that “all things” can be conveyed by the Spirit.

Questions about Sister Okazaki’s authority are needless because this doctrine is based on numerous scriptures (try 2 Nephi 9:21, D&amp;C 88:41).

And for the purpose of ascertaining whether God “knows what it feels like”, the debate between 1)“Christ felt all peoples’ various feelings of mortality during the atonement” and 2)“he knows because he comprehends all things and knows our thoughts” is moot at this point.  Either way, he knows.

One of the great questions of mortality is whether God really is omniscient.  It seems to me that a God that isn’t omniscient can’t be the author of a religion powerful enough to produce the faith necessary for salvation.  Throwing gender in as a possible barrier to God’s omniscience is a tool of Satan, just as he has thrown in the barriers of God’s invisibility, the fact that he is one and we are billions, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I had never read Sister Okazaki’s quotation, I had thought of this before when a friend once remarked that “only a mother knows what it is like for a mother to lose a child.”</p>
<p>While I didn’t respond, I thought to myself “well I know of one non-mother who knows—Jesus Christ”.  Furthermore, men, (and women and children who have never gone through child-birth) might also know because the scriptures state that “all things” can be conveyed by the Spirit.</p>
<p>Questions about Sister Okazaki’s authority are needless because this doctrine is based on numerous scriptures (try 2 Nephi 9:21, D&amp;C 88:41).</p>
<p>And for the purpose of ascertaining whether God “knows what it feels like”, the debate between 1)“Christ felt all peoples’ various feelings of mortality during the atonement” and 2)“he knows because he comprehends all things and knows our thoughts” is moot at this point.  Either way, he knows.</p>
<p>One of the great questions of mortality is whether God really is omniscient.  It seems to me that a God that isn’t omniscient can’t be the author of a religion powerful enough to produce the faith necessary for salvation.  Throwing gender in as a possible barrier to God’s omniscience is a tool of Satan, just as he has thrown in the barriers of God’s invisibility, the fact that he is one and we are billions, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: mormonhermitmom</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124500</link>
		<dc:creator>mormonhermitmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tough concept. Do I believe Christ suffered more than any of us? Yes. Do I believe that he knows specifically what women go through? I don&#039;t know. I believe he could, though I don&#039;t know how. My husband doesn&#039;t know specifically what I go through as a mother, but he helps me as much as he can and that helps me feel loved and supported. I think Christ would be an even more loving type of person than my husband could be. If He didn&#039;t actually know what it was like to have a woman&#039;s trials, He would still give His love and support. That&#039;s enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough concept. Do I believe Christ suffered more than any of us? Yes. Do I believe that he knows specifically what women go through? I don&#8217;t know. I believe he could, though I don&#8217;t know how. My husband doesn&#8217;t know specifically what I go through as a mother, but he helps me as much as he can and that helps me feel loved and supported. I think Christ would be an even more loving type of person than my husband could be. If He didn&#8217;t actually know what it was like to have a woman&#8217;s trials, He would still give His love and support. That&#8217;s enough for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess if the church leaders say it&#039;s true, then it must be.  I don&#039;t know, though.  It seems to good to be true.  Like something people say when bad things are happening just to make themselves feel better. It&#039;s not that I think it is definitely NOT true. I guess I just don&#039;t have a testimony of this part of the atonement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if the church leaders say it&#8217;s true, then it must be.  I don&#8217;t know, though.  It seems to good to be true.  Like something people say when bad things are happening just to make themselves feel better. It&#8217;s not that I think it is definitely NOT true. I guess I just don&#8217;t have a testimony of this part of the atonement.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnna Cornett</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124489</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnna Cornett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why this quote is making the rounds just now.

About a month ago, early December, our ward joined another for Sunday meetings, as our building was entirely taken up with our annual Christmas Creche display.  The gal who taught our combined Relief Society meeting about Christ used this same Cheiko Okazaki quote in her lesson, reading it bookmarked from &quot;Lighten Up!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why this quote is making the rounds just now.</p>
<p>About a month ago, early December, our ward joined another for Sunday meetings, as our building was entirely taken up with our annual Christmas Creche display.  The gal who taught our combined Relief Society meeting about Christ used this same Cheiko Okazaki quote in her lesson, reading it bookmarked from &#8220;Lighten Up!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Heather H.</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124464</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a freshman at BYU one of the Stake RS leaders gave a training and read that quote to us. For years I have carried with me the reality that struck a chord with me that day, that Christ understands when I feel PMS-y. The way Sister Okazaki made it specific and personal was the beginning of me trying to really figure out how the atonement could bless me, how I could actually use it.

I&#039;m still in the process of learning about that, still on that journey, but I believe it is true, he knows exactly how to succor me, no matter what the cause of my pain or discomfort or sorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a freshman at BYU one of the Stake RS leaders gave a training and read that quote to us. For years I have carried with me the reality that struck a chord with me that day, that Christ understands when I feel PMS-y. The way Sister Okazaki made it specific and personal was the beginning of me trying to really figure out how the atonement could bless me, how I could actually use it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still in the process of learning about that, still on that journey, but I believe it is true, he knows exactly how to succor me, no matter what the cause of my pain or discomfort or sorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124415</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathryn, I would welcome your insights.

I did misread your initial question--rather confusing it with the ongoing discussion on T&amp;S. I do believe that Christ understands what women go through, but I&#039;m not sure how much he understands by actual experience.

In some ways I see it like a bad accident. If I was run over by a steam roller and had every bone in my body broken, I think it would be fair to say that I deeply understand severe physical pain. Whether or not I actually had a kidney stone may not be terribly relevant in my being able to empathize with someone who has one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn, I would welcome your insights.</p>
<p>I did misread your initial question&#8211;rather confusing it with the ongoing discussion on T&amp;S. I do believe that Christ understands what women go through, but I&#8217;m not sure how much he understands by actual experience.</p>
<p>In some ways I see it like a bad accident. If I was run over by a steam roller and had every bone in my body broken, I think it would be fair to say that I deeply understand severe physical pain. Whether or not I actually had a kidney stone may not be terribly relevant in my being able to empathize with someone who has one.</p>
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		<title>By: wendy</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/as-a-woman/#comment-124319</link>
		<dc:creator>wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it, too.

The scripture Dalene cited comes to my mind.  Also, the following verse adds some interesting insight: &quot;Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people . . .&quot;

It sounds like He COULD know all we suffer simply through the Spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it, too.</p>
<p>The scripture Dalene cited comes to my mind.  Also, the following verse adds some interesting insight: &#8220;Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>It sounds like He COULD know all we suffer simply through the Spirit.</p>
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