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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW- thanks Jendoop... I, too, have undiagnosed pain that I struggle with... and It has helped me appreciate my body more than ever, when I am healthy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW- thanks Jendoop&#8230; I, too, have undiagnosed pain that I struggle with&#8230; and It has helped me appreciate my body more than ever, when I am healthy!</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also makes me sad that weight is such an issue in our society... I also think it is one of satan&#039;s huge tools to distract us from what is really important.  I have always struggled with my weight one way or another.... I was a chubby kid-  skinny (borderline anorexic) teenager- and now I am a little overweight and it weighs on me each day.  But- also everyday, I am accepting- that this is who I am, and I know when I am not being healthy- and I have to own it- whatever it is/ or whatever I look like.  Sure, I would love to be 15 lbs. lighter- but I guess I am not willing to make the sacrifice-  and I have other priorities in my life right now.  For me, it is about balance.  It is still a work in progress.  

Thanks for this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also makes me sad that weight is such an issue in our society&#8230; I also think it is one of satan&#8217;s huge tools to distract us from what is really important.  I have always struggled with my weight one way or another&#8230;. I was a chubby kid-  skinny (borderline anorexic) teenager- and now I am a little overweight and it weighs on me each day.  But- also everyday, I am accepting- that this is who I am, and I know when I am not being healthy- and I have to own it- whatever it is/ or whatever I look like.  Sure, I would love to be 15 lbs. lighter- but I guess I am not willing to make the sacrifice-  and I have other priorities in my life right now.  For me, it is about balance.  It is still a work in progress.  </p>
<p>Thanks for this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Finding Peace and Balance By Choosing A Healthy Lifestyle &#171; An Ordinary Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finding Peace and Balance By Choosing A Healthy Lifestyle &#171; An Ordinary Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my own health and the lifestyle I currently lead &#8230; partly because of some blog posts I read here and here, partly because I have a MRI scheduled for next week but mostly because I know it ties into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dalene C</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/fat-girl/#comment-159025</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalene C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note everyone: I am Dalene C and I posted my comments on #70 as Dalene.  Then I went on to read Part II of this series and saw that there is actually another Dalene in here!  I&#039;m sorry Dalene if anyone thinks you wrote that, If I could edit the post I would.
I&#039;m sure you will be as surprised as I was to see someone else with your not so common name. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note everyone: I am Dalene C and I posted my comments on #70 as Dalene.  Then I went on to read Part II of this series and saw that there is actually another Dalene in here!  I&#8217;m sorry Dalene if anyone thinks you wrote that, If I could edit the post I would.<br />
I&#8217;m sure you will be as surprised as I was to see someone else with your not so common name. <img src='http://segullah.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dalene</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/fat-girl/#comment-159023</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>69 replies and finally I am ready to post.  I am so very thankful for all the sharing that this article has inspired.  There are so many different things going on for all of us yet one of the strongest feelings that is common amongst all of us is just to be loved and accepted.   I am encouraged by the support, love, and honesty I feel coming out of all of these posts.

Now I must explain that I came across this article (and it&#039;s my first time ever on this site) out of total desperation!  I read Michelle L.&#039;s love and pain for her mother and I almost posted right then to say, &quot;Help fix me, before I die like her!&quot;  Luckily for her I decided to read on.  I&#039;m sorry you had to experience that Michelle, but here is maybe one of the reasons for your pain, that you might help others.

I was on my way to find some help via the web when I typed in one complete sentence in my search engine, and it only came up with one match.  I clicked the heading and here I was at this blog on Segullah.  I&#039;d never even heard of Segullah before and my first thought was, &quot;This is NOT what I was looking for, but maybe a good diversion.&quot;  I love writing, and reading good writing.  Hey, and it&#039;s not just a literary journal with good subjects, but they&#039;re LDS!  How did that happen?  I suppose I should tell you all what my search sentence really was...

&quot;Where can a morbidly obese person fit in an Open MRI?&quot;
Yes, I was feeling desperate and was trying to weed out all the advertisements for obesity treatment.  But yesterday I drove 2 hours away from my home for the second time to a different imaging center that assured me over the phone that they could fit me.  I got on the table hopeful and was quickly apologized to, because my girth is too high when lying flat.  I carry most of my weight in my belly and abdomen.  I cannot get a proper diagnosis to receive appropriate treatment for sever back nerve pain without an MRI.  I fell apart yesterday and my husband lovingly supported me, and said we&#039;ll just keep looking.

I prayed a lot yesterday and the Lord blessed me with some mighty tender mercies throughout the day that kept my mind off of the overwhelming pull towards depression guilt and shame.  I went to bed last night thinking I will be okay, I will become my own advocate and I will find my own way to this super size MRI. I will not wait another month for my Dr.&#039;s to send me to another humiliating experience.

Now I don&#039;t even need to tell most of you that regardless of why or how I got this large I still deserve the best medical as anyone else could get.  And if everyone knows there is an obesity epidemic, how can the medical community not be equipped to treat it.  I probably don&#039;t even need to tell you how much I&#039;ve tried to lose the weight, how many diets and programs I&#039;ve been on, but I can tell you I am NOT giving up.  

The strength and understanding and spiritual reminders that have been shared in this blog are proof enough to me that Heavenly Father knows more about what I needed when I typed my question than I did!  Thank you all for sharing and giving me the encouragement I needed.  I will enjoy reading part II and learning more from all of you.  I know I am a daughter of God of infinite worth and I know that my spirit and my body can be unified some day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>69 replies and finally I am ready to post.  I am so very thankful for all the sharing that this article has inspired.  There are so many different things going on for all of us yet one of the strongest feelings that is common amongst all of us is just to be loved and accepted.   I am encouraged by the support, love, and honesty I feel coming out of all of these posts.</p>
<p>Now I must explain that I came across this article (and it&#8217;s my first time ever on this site) out of total desperation!  I read Michelle L.&#8217;s love and pain for her mother and I almost posted right then to say, &#8220;Help fix me, before I die like her!&#8221;  Luckily for her I decided to read on.  I&#8217;m sorry you had to experience that Michelle, but here is maybe one of the reasons for your pain, that you might help others.</p>
<p>I was on my way to find some help via the web when I typed in one complete sentence in my search engine, and it only came up with one match.  I clicked the heading and here I was at this blog on Segullah.  I&#8217;d never even heard of Segullah before and my first thought was, &#8220;This is NOT what I was looking for, but maybe a good diversion.&#8221;  I love writing, and reading good writing.  Hey, and it&#8217;s not just a literary journal with good subjects, but they&#8217;re LDS!  How did that happen?  I suppose I should tell you all what my search sentence really was&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Where can a morbidly obese person fit in an Open MRI?&#8221;<br />
Yes, I was feeling desperate and was trying to weed out all the advertisements for obesity treatment.  But yesterday I drove 2 hours away from my home for the second time to a different imaging center that assured me over the phone that they could fit me.  I got on the table hopeful and was quickly apologized to, because my girth is too high when lying flat.  I carry most of my weight in my belly and abdomen.  I cannot get a proper diagnosis to receive appropriate treatment for sever back nerve pain without an MRI.  I fell apart yesterday and my husband lovingly supported me, and said we&#8217;ll just keep looking.</p>
<p>I prayed a lot yesterday and the Lord blessed me with some mighty tender mercies throughout the day that kept my mind off of the overwhelming pull towards depression guilt and shame.  I went to bed last night thinking I will be okay, I will become my own advocate and I will find my own way to this super size MRI. I will not wait another month for my Dr.&#8217;s to send me to another humiliating experience.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t even need to tell most of you that regardless of why or how I got this large I still deserve the best medical as anyone else could get.  And if everyone knows there is an obesity epidemic, how can the medical community not be equipped to treat it.  I probably don&#8217;t even need to tell you how much I&#8217;ve tried to lose the weight, how many diets and programs I&#8217;ve been on, but I can tell you I am NOT giving up.  </p>
<p>The strength and understanding and spiritual reminders that have been shared in this blog are proof enough to me that Heavenly Father knows more about what I needed when I typed my question than I did!  Thank you all for sharing and giving me the encouragement I needed.  I will enjoy reading part II and learning more from all of you.  I know I am a daughter of God of infinite worth and I know that my spirit and my body can be unified some day!</p>
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		<title>By: Blog Segullah : &#8230;a book by its cover (part II of II)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Segullah : &#8230;a book by its cover (part II of II)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In her post last week, Michelle asked several questions. I’d like to respond to a couple of them from my perspective. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/fat-girl/#comment-158827</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, I&#039;m serious. Email me anytime. :) Even though it sounds like you have a good sense for where the light lies, I still love talking about these principles because for me it helps solidify truth.

Truth can make us free. It&#039;s awesome to feel glimpses of that, those &#039;bits and pieces.&#039;

Such a journey, though. This learning by experience thing is not for wimps! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, I&#8217;m serious. Email me anytime. <img src='http://segullah.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Even though it sounds like you have a good sense for where the light lies, I still love talking about these principles because for me it helps solidify truth.</p>
<p>Truth can make us free. It&#8217;s awesome to feel glimpses of that, those &#8216;bits and pieces.&#8217;</p>
<p>Such a journey, though. This learning by experience thing is not for wimps! <img src='http://segullah.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anon (#39)</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/fat-girl/#comment-158814</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon (#39)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M&amp;M, I might just take you up on that at some point and e-mail you about some this. Thank you for your kind words of support--I really appreciate your thoughtfulness.

The bits and pieces of success I have found tie in with exactly what you said--where I&#039;ve worked on ME and backed off, stopped trying to make things all better and hold the world on my shoulders. I may have to return to this post just to write down the list of great books you&#039;ve mentioned. It does get to be a bit of an addictive whirlwind trying to fix everything and be the only strong one--when I&#039;m not supposed to be, when HE really ought to feel the effects of his choices and be accountable. I shouldn&#039;t shield him all the time. I should work on ME and being the best wife and mother and handmaiden of the Lord I can be. And that doesn&#039;t mean fixing him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M&amp;M, I might just take you up on that at some point and e-mail you about some this. Thank you for your kind words of support&#8211;I really appreciate your thoughtfulness.</p>
<p>The bits and pieces of success I have found tie in with exactly what you said&#8211;where I&#8217;ve worked on ME and backed off, stopped trying to make things all better and hold the world on my shoulders. I may have to return to this post just to write down the list of great books you&#8217;ve mentioned. It does get to be a bit of an addictive whirlwind trying to fix everything and be the only strong one&#8211;when I&#8217;m not supposed to be, when HE really ought to feel the effects of his choices and be accountable. I shouldn&#8217;t shield him all the time. I should work on ME and being the best wife and mother and handmaiden of the Lord I can be. And that doesn&#8217;t mean fixing him.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/fat-girl/#comment-158677</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon, just saw your comment after I posted that long one...(I&#039;ve been working here and there on it all day). Not that I think talking to me would be better than w/ a group or a counselor, and not that you haven&#039;t already heard more than enough from me, but since I love talking about truth that has affected my life, if you ever want to &#039;talk&#039; via email, I&#039;m at hotmail, username mulling_and_musing. :) [I also have had an eating disorder of my own so I know a little of what it&#039;s like on the other side, too, fwiw.]

And this may sound weird (and I don&#039;t want it to sound patronizing, so please don&#039;t read it that way), but I&#039;m actually excited for you and what you might be able to find. These resources (all that I have listed) are CHANGING my life. Or course, you&#039;ll likely be led to your own resources along your way. The journey to uncover truth is hard, but it&#039;s exciting. 

Best to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon, just saw your comment after I posted that long one&#8230;(I&#8217;ve been working here and there on it all day). Not that I think talking to me would be better than w/ a group or a counselor, and not that you haven&#8217;t already heard more than enough from me, but since I love talking about truth that has affected my life, if you ever want to &#8216;talk&#8217; via email, I&#8217;m at hotmail, username mulling_and_musing. <img src='http://segullah.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  [I also have had an eating disorder of my own so I know a little of what it's like on the other side, too, fwiw.]</p>
<p>And this may sound weird (and I don&#8217;t want it to sound patronizing, so please don&#8217;t read it that way), but I&#8217;m actually excited for you and what you might be able to find. These resources (all that I have listed) are CHANGING my life. Or course, you&#8217;ll likely be led to your own resources along your way. The journey to uncover truth is hard, but it&#8217;s exciting. </p>
<p>Best to you!</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/fat-girl/#comment-158676</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to add a bit more that is lingering in my mind today, to explain a little more of where I&#039;m coming from. Years ago, the weird (and yet not uncommon with humans -- hehe) emotional patterns that I experienced with a few people in my life left me pretty drained. I sought counseling. A social worker recommended a book (&lt;i&gt;Boundaries&lt;/i&gt; by Cloud and Townsend) that started me on a journey to analyze more of my *own* life and behavior -- I realized I had more choice in interacting w/ those w/ unhealthy patterns than I had thought. I was drained largely because of how *I* was dealing with and responding to things. It was amazing, empowering to realize. 

A few years later, I found that other book I recommended on codependency. I started looking back on other situations in my life (e.g., on my mission, in a calling when I was first married) and understanding more about how I have a tendency to become part of unhealthy emotional patterns (sometimes called collusion). The more weirdness there has been, the more I have internalized stuff, and often I have tried to DO something to try to &quot;make things better&quot; (to try to defend or &#039;prove&#039; myself, to &#039;try harder&#039; to &#039;earn&#039; friendship/approval, to point out whatever the person might have been doing that was hurtful, to try to encourage *them* to change, etc.) -- and often, the solution really should have been to let go, back off, respect choice and focus on myself. I&#039;m getting better (albeit perhaps slowly) at that. I even work on doing more of that w/ my kids when they do things that I don&#039;t like. 

Anyway, this all led me to read other materials as well, including some of the 12-step book of the Church -- I came to realize that codependency (unwitting collusion in cycles of unhealthy behavior, be they classic addictions or other things such as I was dealing with) can in its own way be an addiction. My way of responding to unkindness or weirdness from others was its own problem -- something I could work on even if others didn&#039;t change. 

As I was exposed to the 12-step program, I saw in that program truths that could apply with *any* weakness. I started reading w/ that purpose in mind -- because I saw it as a guide to accessing the atonement in a more general way.  

This is part of why I&#039;m a fan of the addiction recovery program...even with my limited exposure to it, I have found true principles in it for me. And I have come to believe that most -- if not all -- of us are prone to responding to pain in unhealthy ways, sometimes out of ignorance or just trying to survive. That may not always lead to classic addictions, but the principles of that program can still help, imo. As such, I see the addiction recovery program as holding much powerful truth for ALL of us -- more of a weakness recovery program, if you will. 

So whenever I hear of someone involved in a more classic addiction situation, I can&#039;t help but imagine how the addiction recovery program could help because of what even my limited exposure to it and principles it addresses have done for me. So, now when we have the family services presentation, where years ago I might have zoned most of it out, now I find myself thinking &quot;I wish more people knew about and took advantage of this stuff.&quot;

So, fwiw, there are more of my thoughts. (It&#039;s making want to go dig out my book again!)

p.s. two other books that are powerful: &lt;i&gt;Bonds that Make us Free&lt;/i&gt; (by Terry Warner) and &lt;i&gt;Anatomy of Peace&lt;/i&gt; (by the Arbinger Group).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to add a bit more that is lingering in my mind today, to explain a little more of where I&#8217;m coming from. Years ago, the weird (and yet not uncommon with humans &#8212; hehe) emotional patterns that I experienced with a few people in my life left me pretty drained. I sought counseling. A social worker recommended a book (<i>Boundaries</i> by Cloud and Townsend) that started me on a journey to analyze more of my *own* life and behavior &#8212; I realized I had more choice in interacting w/ those w/ unhealthy patterns than I had thought. I was drained largely because of how *I* was dealing with and responding to things. It was amazing, empowering to realize. </p>
<p>A few years later, I found that other book I recommended on codependency. I started looking back on other situations in my life (e.g., on my mission, in a calling when I was first married) and understanding more about how I have a tendency to become part of unhealthy emotional patterns (sometimes called collusion). The more weirdness there has been, the more I have internalized stuff, and often I have tried to DO something to try to &#8220;make things better&#8221; (to try to defend or &#8216;prove&#8217; myself, to &#8216;try harder&#8217; to &#8216;earn&#8217; friendship/approval, to point out whatever the person might have been doing that was hurtful, to try to encourage *them* to change, etc.) &#8212; and often, the solution really should have been to let go, back off, respect choice and focus on myself. I&#8217;m getting better (albeit perhaps slowly) at that. I even work on doing more of that w/ my kids when they do things that I don&#8217;t like. </p>
<p>Anyway, this all led me to read other materials as well, including some of the 12-step book of the Church &#8212; I came to realize that codependency (unwitting collusion in cycles of unhealthy behavior, be they classic addictions or other things such as I was dealing with) can in its own way be an addiction. My way of responding to unkindness or weirdness from others was its own problem &#8212; something I could work on even if others didn&#8217;t change. </p>
<p>As I was exposed to the 12-step program, I saw in that program truths that could apply with *any* weakness. I started reading w/ that purpose in mind &#8212; because I saw it as a guide to accessing the atonement in a more general way.  </p>
<p>This is part of why I&#8217;m a fan of the addiction recovery program&#8230;even with my limited exposure to it, I have found true principles in it for me. And I have come to believe that most &#8212; if not all &#8212; of us are prone to responding to pain in unhealthy ways, sometimes out of ignorance or just trying to survive. That may not always lead to classic addictions, but the principles of that program can still help, imo. As such, I see the addiction recovery program as holding much powerful truth for ALL of us &#8212; more of a weakness recovery program, if you will. </p>
<p>So whenever I hear of someone involved in a more classic addiction situation, I can&#8217;t help but imagine how the addiction recovery program could help because of what even my limited exposure to it and principles it addresses have done for me. So, now when we have the family services presentation, where years ago I might have zoned most of it out, now I find myself thinking &#8220;I wish more people knew about and took advantage of this stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, fwiw, there are more of my thoughts. (It&#8217;s making want to go dig out my book again!)</p>
<p>p.s. two other books that are powerful: <i>Bonds that Make us Free</i> (by Terry Warner) and <i>Anatomy of Peace</i> (by the Arbinger Group).</p>
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