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		<title>By: Brother Burners Guide to (Discreetly) Spanking the Monkey &#171; The Bloggernacle Back Burner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Burners Guide to (Discreetly) Spanking the Monkey &#171; The Bloggernacle Back Burner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brittney C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittney C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to harp, but as has been pointed out, child pornography is a FELONY. In college, I had big dreams of substantiating the causal link between pornography use and violence against women.  Didn&#039;t happen. Probably won&#039;t. Wanna know what did happen? Last week the American Psychological Association published a study linking the use of kiddie porn to child abuse. 155 men convicted of child pornography possession. 84% admitted to also having abused children. Average number of victims: 13.5 per man. You know who needs to pull his head out? That bishop. 

#6, I know it&#039;s gotta be a sucky thing to think about sicing the po po on a man you&#039;ve loved as a father. Not that it makes it much easier, but there are hot lines which allow you to remain anonymous:1-866-DHS-2ICE (run by the Department of Home Land Security) or http://www.cybertipline.com (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children)

Each and every one of you is amazing. Thank you for sharing your stories, and more than that, your hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to harp, but as has been pointed out, child pornography is a FELONY. In college, I had big dreams of substantiating the causal link between pornography use and violence against women.  Didn&#8217;t happen. Probably won&#8217;t. Wanna know what did happen? Last week the American Psychological Association published a study linking the use of kiddie porn to child abuse. 155 men convicted of child pornography possession. 84% admitted to also having abused children. Average number of victims: 13.5 per man. You know who needs to pull his head out? That bishop. </p>
<p>#6, I know it&#8217;s gotta be a sucky thing to think about sicing the po po on a man you&#8217;ve loved as a father. Not that it makes it much easier, but there are hot lines which allow you to remain anonymous:1-866-DHS-2ICE (run by the Department of Home Land Security) or <a href="http://www.cybertipline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cybertipline.com</a> (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children)</p>
<p>Each and every one of you is amazing. Thank you for sharing your stories, and more than that, your hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday in Outer Blogness: A Day Late and a Dollar Short Edition! &#124; Main Street Plaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday in Outer Blogness: A Day Late and a Dollar Short Edition! &#124; Main Street Plaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: estock</title>
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		<dc:creator>estock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #6 - As a mother of young children I plead with you to call the police. Please make sure that the young mothers in your parents ward are warned. For all I know your stepfather is in my ward! I can tell you, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW if I was about to let my child into his house. Because there is no way in hell I would take my chances. What if he ends up molesting a child? You say you &quot;fret over the safety of every child that enters their house&quot; - maybe it is the Spirit urging you to do something more!  Please contact the police for the sake of those children before it is too late. I would inform the stake president of what is going on, too since the bishop is not taking any action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #6 &#8211; As a mother of young children I plead with you to call the police. Please make sure that the young mothers in your parents ward are warned. For all I know your stepfather is in my ward! I can tell you, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW if I was about to let my child into his house. Because there is no way in hell I would take my chances. What if he ends up molesting a child? You say you &#8220;fret over the safety of every child that enters their house&#8221; &#8211; maybe it is the Spirit urging you to do something more!  Please contact the police for the sake of those children before it is too late. I would inform the stake president of what is going on, too since the bishop is not taking any action.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kicked in the stomach is an excellent way to describe the feeling. My husband struggled with a porn addiction for years before ultimately having an affair and moving out. I know I did not cause his addiction, but to my forever sorrow, I also did not give the tough love a wife should have and overcome my own embarrassment in order to get him to seek help. I stuck my head in the sand and wanted to show how forgiving I could be without realizing that willpower on his end might not be enough. My strategy backfired. Each time I found evidence, he was a little less sorry until finally he had convinced himself that he did not feel guilt and that he needed to remove himself from the things that were now &quot;wrong&quot; in his life, i.e. me and the church. He is so incredibly upside down now, and while I know I can&#039;t fight his battles for him, I wish that I had known just how addicting it was and what it could do, and encouraged him to get help before he hit this level and was no longer afraid of losing me. 
The major success of the porn industry suggests that Satan is getting very skilled at this particular battle and we all know that men in particular are very susceptible to it. I don&#039;t think satan has ever had such a valuable weapon before. In return, I believe we mothers and wives are also endowed with extra weapons from God to help fight for those we love on this side as well. Be brave and dont hesitate to encourage your loved one to get help and while you are at it, ask God for what you need to be his &quot;wing man.&quot; Whether it is patience, understanding or strength for the relapses, keep in mind that God wants our men to succeed as much as satan wants to bring them down and he is not stronger than God. We women are God&#039;s weapons in the fight against pornography. Everyone who overcomes this addiction has to want it, but no addict can overcome without unfailing love and support. Be educated, be brave, be communicative and be upfront. Most of all, have faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kicked in the stomach is an excellent way to describe the feeling. My husband struggled with a porn addiction for years before ultimately having an affair and moving out. I know I did not cause his addiction, but to my forever sorrow, I also did not give the tough love a wife should have and overcome my own embarrassment in order to get him to seek help. I stuck my head in the sand and wanted to show how forgiving I could be without realizing that willpower on his end might not be enough. My strategy backfired. Each time I found evidence, he was a little less sorry until finally he had convinced himself that he did not feel guilt and that he needed to remove himself from the things that were now &#8220;wrong&#8221; in his life, i.e. me and the church. He is so incredibly upside down now, and while I know I can&#8217;t fight his battles for him, I wish that I had known just how addicting it was and what it could do, and encouraged him to get help before he hit this level and was no longer afraid of losing me.<br />
The major success of the porn industry suggests that Satan is getting very skilled at this particular battle and we all know that men in particular are very susceptible to it. I don&#8217;t think satan has ever had such a valuable weapon before. In return, I believe we mothers and wives are also endowed with extra weapons from God to help fight for those we love on this side as well. Be brave and dont hesitate to encourage your loved one to get help and while you are at it, ask God for what you need to be his &#8220;wing man.&#8221; Whether it is patience, understanding or strength for the relapses, keep in mind that God wants our men to succeed as much as satan wants to bring them down and he is not stronger than God. We women are God&#8217;s weapons in the fight against pornography. Everyone who overcomes this addiction has to want it, but no addict can overcome without unfailing love and support. Be educated, be brave, be communicative and be upfront. Most of all, have faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon--49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon--49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think that LDS men are more susceptible to porn issues because they are less inclined to seek out actual sex as a release and see porn as &#039;safe&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that LDS men are more susceptible to porn issues because they are less inclined to seek out actual sex as a release and see porn as &#8216;safe&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous 48</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous 48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been over twenty years since I was 13 and my parents told that my dad had a porn addiction--I&#039;d found a few magazines by then, seen part of one porn movie he didn&#039;t record over, and listened to countless dirty jokes and sexual comments. A couple years later I was walking down the hall at church and listned to him give a lesson in Elder&#039;s Quoram about his masterbation problem.

My oldest brother started getting into porn at 14, the next brother was 12, the next brother refused it, and the forth brother was 10 when I found it on their home computer.

I love each of them more than I can say--I understand that they use it for stress, loneliness, anger, and recreation. I know they love their wives, that they are loved by God, and that as men they are SO vulnerable. But Porn has defined the relationship I have with my parents and siblings. I&#039;m married to a man who has not had a problem with it--but most of the other men in my life that I love the very most are dogged by it.

In some ways, I&#039;m benefited to know that being porn addicts does not make them evil--it is a sin like any other sin; gossip, dishonesty, judging others, covetousness. Porn is not WORSE than something else, but it is more painful than many of them; more encompassing of personal relationships. While a wife won&#039;t blame herself for her husband coveting a neighbors car, she&#039;ll take blame for her husband lusting over another woman.

I would also like to say that while I admire the ability for those that struggle to talk about it, my life was not blessed to know of my father&#039;s struggle, to here him talk to people about his &#039;problem&#039; as openly as he did. It was humiliating and I as sexualized earlier than I should have been. I would suggest that those dealing with this issue keep it between themselves, their spouses, their clergy, and those people who can help them overcome their issue. I believe my father &#039;indulges&#039; a bit in just talking about it to other people. I also think it was easier for my brother&#039;s to not only become involved but stay involved because dad did it and even though they were taught it was wrong, how wrong can it be when there is so much &#039;acceptance&#039; of it in our home? 

Heads in the sand puts our children at even more risk than they are just living at the time they live.

Thank God for the Atonement.

And thank you for this post. I read every comment and am humbled and yet inspired by the many people fighting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been over twenty years since I was 13 and my parents told that my dad had a porn addiction&#8211;I&#8217;d found a few magazines by then, seen part of one porn movie he didn&#8217;t record over, and listened to countless dirty jokes and sexual comments. A couple years later I was walking down the hall at church and listned to him give a lesson in Elder&#8217;s Quoram about his masterbation problem.</p>
<p>My oldest brother started getting into porn at 14, the next brother was 12, the next brother refused it, and the forth brother was 10 when I found it on their home computer.</p>
<p>I love each of them more than I can say&#8211;I understand that they use it for stress, loneliness, anger, and recreation. I know they love their wives, that they are loved by God, and that as men they are SO vulnerable. But Porn has defined the relationship I have with my parents and siblings. I&#8217;m married to a man who has not had a problem with it&#8211;but most of the other men in my life that I love the very most are dogged by it.</p>
<p>In some ways, I&#8217;m benefited to know that being porn addicts does not make them evil&#8211;it is a sin like any other sin; gossip, dishonesty, judging others, covetousness. Porn is not WORSE than something else, but it is more painful than many of them; more encompassing of personal relationships. While a wife won&#8217;t blame herself for her husband coveting a neighbors car, she&#8217;ll take blame for her husband lusting over another woman.</p>
<p>I would also like to say that while I admire the ability for those that struggle to talk about it, my life was not blessed to know of my father&#8217;s struggle, to here him talk to people about his &#8216;problem&#8217; as openly as he did. It was humiliating and I as sexualized earlier than I should have been. I would suggest that those dealing with this issue keep it between themselves, their spouses, their clergy, and those people who can help them overcome their issue. I believe my father &#8216;indulges&#8217; a bit in just talking about it to other people. I also think it was easier for my brother&#8217;s to not only become involved but stay involved because dad did it and even though they were taught it was wrong, how wrong can it be when there is so much &#8216;acceptance&#8217; of it in our home? </p>
<p>Heads in the sand puts our children at even more risk than they are just living at the time they live.</p>
<p>Thank God for the Atonement.</p>
<p>And thank you for this post. I read every comment and am humbled and yet inspired by the many people fighting this.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/for-anon-27-on-the-birth-control-post/#comment-167283</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to chafe at the bit with impatience during conference, when the general authorities would devote more time to pornography than to drug and alcohol addiction, which I thought was the greater problem. But as a bishop&#039;s wife, I now realize that pornography is pretty much running rampant out there, especially with our young people who are confronted with it in so many seemingly innocent venues...even at school, sometimes, when computer labs are not blocked or monitored.

We all need to be aware, and I think this post is excellent and timely. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to chafe at the bit with impatience during conference, when the general authorities would devote more time to pornography than to drug and alcohol addiction, which I thought was the greater problem. But as a bishop&#8217;s wife, I now realize that pornography is pretty much running rampant out there, especially with our young people who are confronted with it in so many seemingly innocent venues&#8230;even at school, sometimes, when computer labs are not blocked or monitored.</p>
<p>We all need to be aware, and I think this post is excellent and timely. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonthistime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonthistime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #44 - You are right, it is just like heroin addiction only worse, I think.  That&#039;s one thing my husband really liked about www.candeocan.com.  The program explained scientifically, biologically how the brain is wired to release certain hormones when porn is viewed and the addiction is to that chemical release.  It is a very powerful stimulant!  It helped my husband realize why he couldn&#039;t kick it on his own.  His body craved that flood of endorphins.

I disagree with PaulM.  I was married for almost 15 years and never knew my husband had struggled with this off and on our whole marriage.  I treated him like an adult and trusted him even though he worked in the tech field.  Porn is different from other addictions because it is always done in secrecy.  That is a large part of its power.  It is a solitary activity. My husband did not stay up late, but he did work at home.  When I left to run errands, he was alone and could indulge.  He was relieved to be discovered and anxious to get this out of his life.  He found great success with Candeo and could move through it faster than meeting with a therapist once a week (although he did that too because I asked him to).  He has fully repented and is happy to have the tools to combat any triggers that he comes upon. He knows it will always be a weakness, but it doesn&#039;t have to be a sin.  There is hope and there is treatment available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #44 &#8211; You are right, it is just like heroin addiction only worse, I think.  That&#8217;s one thing my husband really liked about <a href="http://www.candeocan.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.candeocan.com</a>.  The program explained scientifically, biologically how the brain is wired to release certain hormones when porn is viewed and the addiction is to that chemical release.  It is a very powerful stimulant!  It helped my husband realize why he couldn&#8217;t kick it on his own.  His body craved that flood of endorphins.</p>
<p>I disagree with PaulM.  I was married for almost 15 years and never knew my husband had struggled with this off and on our whole marriage.  I treated him like an adult and trusted him even though he worked in the tech field.  Porn is different from other addictions because it is always done in secrecy.  That is a large part of its power.  It is a solitary activity. My husband did not stay up late, but he did work at home.  When I left to run errands, he was alone and could indulge.  He was relieved to be discovered and anxious to get this out of his life.  He found great success with Candeo and could move through it faster than meeting with a therapist once a week (although he did that too because I asked him to).  He has fully repented and is happy to have the tools to combat any triggers that he comes upon. He knows it will always be a weakness, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be a sin.  There is hope and there is treatment available.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pornography is a growing problem. What most youth and adults don&#039;t understand is the way that pornography can damage, healthy intimate relationships. It changes what men and women as as attractive, sexual. Novelty/Variety is a primary focus, alot of the power of the stimulus. Novelty provides a strong turn on but sets you up for failure in a long term monomgamous relationship. 

I recently worked with a couple, the husband&#039;s pornography issues were causing him to pressure his wife to participate in things she was uncomfortable with yet, it was what the pornography had taught him to want and was creating a very destructive dynamic in the marriage. The level of the addiction and failure of others to provide adequate support services only fueled the cycle, followed by guilt, and exaccerbated depression, anxiety, and anger issues. 

To female currently struggling-- I would recommend finding a good MFT or sex therapist. Open communication and professional support can help to ameliorate the current &quot;bad fit&quot; in partners levels of desire. Often times other maritial and individual issues play out/evidence in the bedroom either in the form of lack of desire or as well as compulsive sexual activity. It probably needs more exploration as to what is sort of at the root of things and work to develop a long term solution that will be healthy and strengthen the relationships.

I don&#039;t like to get caught up in numbers or statistics other than that it is a problem. Alot of it stems from curiosity and lack of open opportunties to discuss sex. All of us have probably see it at one time or another (usually inadvertantly). But I have yet to see any study that actually measures it predominance and that could be extrapolated to the larger population. SO I don&#039;t be live in using numbers you can&#039;t back up/cite. Some regions and demogrpahics seem to struggle more than others. I also like to be careful in the use of the label of addiction. I think vigilance is important, while erecting barriers of access etc are good. In the end it&#039;s about self control and choosing not to participate. Soon enough our children willbe grown adults faced with full access to whatever they&#039;d like so we are really trying to help them develop life long skills far more than simply being gatekeepers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pornography is a growing problem. What most youth and adults don&#8217;t understand is the way that pornography can damage, healthy intimate relationships. It changes what men and women as as attractive, sexual. Novelty/Variety is a primary focus, alot of the power of the stimulus. Novelty provides a strong turn on but sets you up for failure in a long term monomgamous relationship. </p>
<p>I recently worked with a couple, the husband&#8217;s pornography issues were causing him to pressure his wife to participate in things she was uncomfortable with yet, it was what the pornography had taught him to want and was creating a very destructive dynamic in the marriage. The level of the addiction and failure of others to provide adequate support services only fueled the cycle, followed by guilt, and exaccerbated depression, anxiety, and anger issues. </p>
<p>To female currently struggling&#8211; I would recommend finding a good MFT or sex therapist. Open communication and professional support can help to ameliorate the current &#8220;bad fit&#8221; in partners levels of desire. Often times other maritial and individual issues play out/evidence in the bedroom either in the form of lack of desire or as well as compulsive sexual activity. It probably needs more exploration as to what is sort of at the root of things and work to develop a long term solution that will be healthy and strengthen the relationships.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to get caught up in numbers or statistics other than that it is a problem. Alot of it stems from curiosity and lack of open opportunties to discuss sex. All of us have probably see it at one time or another (usually inadvertantly). But I have yet to see any study that actually measures it predominance and that could be extrapolated to the larger population. SO I don&#8217;t be live in using numbers you can&#8217;t back up/cite. Some regions and demogrpahics seem to struggle more than others. I also like to be careful in the use of the label of addiction. I think vigilance is important, while erecting barriers of access etc are good. In the end it&#8217;s about self control and choosing not to participate. Soon enough our children willbe grown adults faced with full access to whatever they&#8217;d like so we are really trying to help them develop life long skills far more than simply being gatekeepers.</p>
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