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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142283</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kristine - You&#039;re right, you should be able to express your opinion. It might be better if we didn&#039;t personally attack people though. I love this blog and would hate for it to become one where people are afraid to express their opinions or a place that makes them feel bad about themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kristine &#8211; You&#8217;re right, you should be able to express your opinion. It might be better if we didn&#8217;t personally attack people though. I love this blog and would hate for it to become one where people are afraid to express their opinions or a place that makes them feel bad about themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142126</link>
		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m&amp;m:
&quot;The power of righteous women in general is so amazing…why don’t we celebrate that more within ourselves? It makes me sad. Mother’s Day is a day we could all celebrate the plan and the critical role of women in that plan. Not just mothers, but women.&quot;

The problem is, by in large the MANY wards I&#039;ve lived in have not done this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m&amp;m:<br />
&#8220;The power of righteous women in general is so amazing…why don’t we celebrate that more within ourselves? It makes me sad. Mother’s Day is a day we could all celebrate the plan and the critical role of women in that plan. Not just mothers, but women.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is, by in large the MANY wards I&#8217;ve lived in have not done this.</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142124</link>
		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, hello backlash, huh?

I would just like to say I wish every MD talk were based on Sis. Dew&#039;s womanhood/we are all mother&#039;s talk.  That talk is amazing!!  Instead I got an old guy tell a 20 minute story about the importance of giving a dozen rozes to your mother??!!

And yes I do choose happiness every day of my life, regardless of my infertility or struggles with my two foster children or my husband working 60+ hrs a week &amp; going to MBA night school and being EQP and then not getting anything for mother&#039;s day (no card, no breakfast, no dinner, no flower, etc.) of course I choose happiness.  

That doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t have the right to express my feelings that the flowers are stupid (half of the moms I know kill them before or after they&#039;re planted) and a waste of budget money.  I would much prefer a donation to a women&#039;s shelter.  Let&#039;s do something to help others instead of trite acts of generosity.

ps Sue, really? you&#039;re comparing not being able to go into the sun with infertility - or not being able to fulfill the measure of our creation?  wow.  just wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, hello backlash, huh?</p>
<p>I would just like to say I wish every MD talk were based on Sis. Dew&#8217;s womanhood/we are all mother&#8217;s talk.  That talk is amazing!!  Instead I got an old guy tell a 20 minute story about the importance of giving a dozen rozes to your mother??!!</p>
<p>And yes I do choose happiness every day of my life, regardless of my infertility or struggles with my two foster children or my husband working 60+ hrs a week &amp; going to MBA night school and being EQP and then not getting anything for mother&#8217;s day (no card, no breakfast, no dinner, no flower, etc.) of course I choose happiness.  </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t have the right to express my feelings that the flowers are stupid (half of the moms I know kill them before or after they&#8217;re planted) and a waste of budget money.  I would much prefer a donation to a women&#8217;s shelter.  Let&#8217;s do something to help others instead of trite acts of generosity.</p>
<p>ps Sue, really? you&#8217;re comparing not being able to go into the sun with infertility &#8211; or not being able to fulfill the measure of our creation?  wow.  just wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142097</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was talking to my DIL about this post last night, and we were surprised at how many moms expressed a dislike for Mother&#039;s Day. Both of us really look forward to it, and I think that m&amp;m got it right with her notion that we should concentrate on all of us being the mother of all living. Because, after all, it&#039;s true.

And it is seriously hard to believe that grown women would begrudge each other a flower or candy bar based upon whether or not they have actually borne children. On the upside, I have never seen this kind of feeling expressed either overtly or subtly in any of the wards I have attended. So hopefully, such attitudes reflect the exception rather than the rule. 

I think it&#039;s good for husbands and children to take time out once a year and shower attention and affection upon the woman in their lives. And I like Father&#039;s Day too for the same reason. Whether started by a card company or not, the outcome has been positive in my family. Very much so.

And aren&#039;t we all just a little too &quot;pc&quot; these days? Our lives all take different paths. I have lupus, and the fact is that I can&#039;t go in the sun. Never allowing my husband and children to talk about their tropical-type trips wouldn&#039;t make me any less able to go in the sun, nor would it improve my feeling about not being able to catch some rays. It is what it is. And I choose to be happy they can do it and interested in hearing about it.

Life: A lot of the happiness lies in the way you frame it for yourself. Having said that, I do think it&#039;s very important for speakers to be sensitive and inclusive in the &quot;mother of all living&quot; sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking to my DIL about this post last night, and we were surprised at how many moms expressed a dislike for Mother&#8217;s Day. Both of us really look forward to it, and I think that m&amp;m got it right with her notion that we should concentrate on all of us being the mother of all living. Because, after all, it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>And it is seriously hard to believe that grown women would begrudge each other a flower or candy bar based upon whether or not they have actually borne children. On the upside, I have never seen this kind of feeling expressed either overtly or subtly in any of the wards I have attended. So hopefully, such attitudes reflect the exception rather than the rule. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s good for husbands and children to take time out once a year and shower attention and affection upon the woman in their lives. And I like Father&#8217;s Day too for the same reason. Whether started by a card company or not, the outcome has been positive in my family. Very much so.</p>
<p>And aren&#8217;t we all just a little too &#8220;pc&#8221; these days? Our lives all take different paths. I have lupus, and the fact is that I can&#8217;t go in the sun. Never allowing my husband and children to talk about their tropical-type trips wouldn&#8217;t make me any less able to go in the sun, nor would it improve my feeling about not being able to catch some rays. It is what it is. And I choose to be happy they can do it and interested in hearing about it.</p>
<p>Life: A lot of the happiness lies in the way you frame it for yourself. Having said that, I do think it&#8217;s very important for speakers to be sensitive and inclusive in the &#8220;mother of all living&#8221; sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142076</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M&amp;M - yes, that is how tithing money works, but seeing the needs that many of the wards in my stake have, I just think there are better ways to spend the money. 

Amazing Chick-  Therapy, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M&amp;M &#8211; yes, that is how tithing money works, but seeing the needs that many of the wards in my stake have, I just think there are better ways to spend the money. </p>
<p>Amazing Chick-  Therapy, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa M.</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142064</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m&amp;m, loved your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m&amp;m, loved your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142060</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m single, no kids.  I think it is so very, very silly when I am given anything (once I came home from being out of town and actually found a plant on my doorstep?!).  It&#039;s not Woman&#039;s Day.  I&#039;m no more a mother than any of the men in the ward.  With that said, I recognize there are those who struggle with infertility, those who do mother other people&#039;s children, etc. and there needs to be some sensitivity shown.  I like the idea of the Bishopric simply wishing all the mothers a Happy Mother&#039;s Day from the pulpit.  I also like the idea of having the flowers/chocolate/whatever sitting outside in the foyer on a table, so women can choose whether they want to take one.

If the women get something, so should the men.  All of them over the age of 18, if that&#039;s how they do it with the women. 

And finally, I&#039;m surprised at how many mothers do not like Mother&#039;s Day (?!)  It&#039;s a day to recognize and celebrate your mother, not a day to feel sorry for yourself.  Be glad you&#039;re a mother, let your children celebrate you, and go with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m single, no kids.  I think it is so very, very silly when I am given anything (once I came home from being out of town and actually found a plant on my doorstep?!).  It&#8217;s not Woman&#8217;s Day.  I&#8217;m no more a mother than any of the men in the ward.  With that said, I recognize there are those who struggle with infertility, those who do mother other people&#8217;s children, etc. and there needs to be some sensitivity shown.  I like the idea of the Bishopric simply wishing all the mothers a Happy Mother&#8217;s Day from the pulpit.  I also like the idea of having the flowers/chocolate/whatever sitting outside in the foyer on a table, so women can choose whether they want to take one.</p>
<p>If the women get something, so should the men.  All of them over the age of 18, if that&#8217;s how they do it with the women. </p>
<p>And finally, I&#8217;m surprised at how many mothers do not like Mother&#8217;s Day (?!)  It&#8217;s a day to recognize and celebrate your mother, not a day to feel sorry for yourself.  Be glad you&#8217;re a mother, let your children celebrate you, and go with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany W.</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142047</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand why many of you feel that when non-moms receive a gift or token of acknowledgement, it negates the sacrifices of mothers. But I don&#039;t think we should think of ourselves as women as either moms or non-moms. In every ward I&#039;ve been in, there have been many &quot;non-moms&quot; who have mothered my children in such positive ways. Shouldn&#039;t their contributions be honored and respected. After all, for many of those women not having children has been a sorrow and burden to them. Can&#039;t we recognize the motherhood divinity within each woman regardless of her mother status on earth? Easpecially given our doctrine that all women, if true and faithful will not be denied any blessings in the eternities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand why many of you feel that when non-moms receive a gift or token of acknowledgement, it negates the sacrifices of mothers. But I don&#8217;t think we should think of ourselves as women as either moms or non-moms. In every ward I&#8217;ve been in, there have been many &#8220;non-moms&#8221; who have mothered my children in such positive ways. Shouldn&#8217;t their contributions be honored and respected. After all, for many of those women not having children has been a sorrow and burden to them. Can&#8217;t we recognize the motherhood divinity within each woman regardless of her mother status on earth? Easpecially given our doctrine that all women, if true and faithful will not be denied any blessings in the eternities?</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142030</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crushed flower in the bottom of the bag is a good example of the point of Mother&#039;s Day. It is touching that the gesture was made, however the real value of being a mother lies in that flower forgotten because the actions it means to acknowledge are so indispensable. The day is intended to give credit for self sacrificing service that goes unnoticed and is taken for granted. It is the flower that was crushed not the appreciation. 

Our ward gave out silk carnations with a little bag of dove bite sized chocolates. I liked that. A silk flower doesn&#039;t induce guilt because it needs no care.

I don&#039;t like getting booklets with talks about mothers. I remember a ward where men received big hunk candy bars on Father&#039;s Day. 

I would like to hear women talk about mothering and have the opportunity to show appreciation for their mothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crushed flower in the bottom of the bag is a good example of the point of Mother&#8217;s Day. It is touching that the gesture was made, however the real value of being a mother lies in that flower forgotten because the actions it means to acknowledge are so indispensable. The day is intended to give credit for self sacrificing service that goes unnoticed and is taken for granted. It is the flower that was crushed not the appreciation. </p>
<p>Our ward gave out silk carnations with a little bag of dove bite sized chocolates. I liked that. A silk flower doesn&#8217;t induce guilt because it needs no care.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like getting booklets with talks about mothers. I remember a ward where men received big hunk candy bars on Father&#8217;s Day. </p>
<p>I would like to hear women talk about mothering and have the opportunity to show appreciation for their mothers.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/mothers-day/looking-a-gift-flower-in-the-mouth/#comment-142014</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think tithing money could be better spent.&lt;/i&gt;

Doesn&#039;t budget money work in a way that you either use it or lose it?

I am not a huge fan of the gift thing, but dang, these men have a hard job to try not to offend. I keep thinking that if we as women were all a little stronger about it all, they  might not be so worried about it all. The energy, time and money and stressful meetings trying to figure it all out? Whew.

But in the end, I see it as an honest gesture to show support of womanhood. I agree with whoever said that they are in a rock/hard place situation.

The talks in the ward I attended were awesome. The power of true doctrine, imo, can cover so much of the pain that people can feel on days like this. Inadequate? It&#039;s ok, that&#039;s part of the plan and the Savior is there. Lonely? The Savior understands. Childless? You really can make a difference in children&#039;s lives. And in others&#039; as well. And the promises are real. 

I had a bunch of second witness experiences -- quotes I had found for our bulletin were used repeatedly throughout the talks. The messages were real and filled with the Spirit. The bishopric clearly cared about being inclusive, and there was no way people could leave not feeling uplifted. Doctrine brings power, and power changes hearts. 

We put so much burden on each other with this, though. I was sweating bullets about the bulletin. I know people were struggling with the idea of giving talks.

The power of righteous women in general is so amazing...why don&#039;t we celebrate that more within ourselves? It makes me sad. Mother&#039;s Day is a day we could all celebrate the plan and the critical role of women in that plan. Not just mothers, but women. I know some people get bent out of shape about it, but I really feel the power of the principles of us all being &#039;mother of all living&#039; by birthright and covenant, that we have significant work to do, and that that should makes us jump for joy at the privilege and blessings that come from service and covenants. 

end rant. ahem.

And I hear people wanting to leave church, but I&#039;m at the other end of the spectrum. Let me stay for all the meetings. Maybe even an extra class. I love church. Does that make me weird?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think tithing money could be better spent.</i></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t budget money work in a way that you either use it or lose it?</p>
<p>I am not a huge fan of the gift thing, but dang, these men have a hard job to try not to offend. I keep thinking that if we as women were all a little stronger about it all, they  might not be so worried about it all. The energy, time and money and stressful meetings trying to figure it all out? Whew.</p>
<p>But in the end, I see it as an honest gesture to show support of womanhood. I agree with whoever said that they are in a rock/hard place situation.</p>
<p>The talks in the ward I attended were awesome. The power of true doctrine, imo, can cover so much of the pain that people can feel on days like this. Inadequate? It&#8217;s ok, that&#8217;s part of the plan and the Savior is there. Lonely? The Savior understands. Childless? You really can make a difference in children&#8217;s lives. And in others&#8217; as well. And the promises are real. </p>
<p>I had a bunch of second witness experiences &#8212; quotes I had found for our bulletin were used repeatedly throughout the talks. The messages were real and filled with the Spirit. The bishopric clearly cared about being inclusive, and there was no way people could leave not feeling uplifted. Doctrine brings power, and power changes hearts. </p>
<p>We put so much burden on each other with this, though. I was sweating bullets about the bulletin. I know people were struggling with the idea of giving talks.</p>
<p>The power of righteous women in general is so amazing&#8230;why don&#8217;t we celebrate that more within ourselves? It makes me sad. Mother&#8217;s Day is a day we could all celebrate the plan and the critical role of women in that plan. Not just mothers, but women. I know some people get bent out of shape about it, but I really feel the power of the principles of us all being &#8216;mother of all living&#8217; by birthright and covenant, that we have significant work to do, and that that should makes us jump for joy at the privilege and blessings that come from service and covenants. </p>
<p>end rant. ahem.</p>
<p>And I hear people wanting to leave church, but I&#8217;m at the other end of the spectrum. Let me stay for all the meetings. Maybe even an extra class. I love church. Does that make me weird?</p>
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