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		<title>By: Heidi Ashworth</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-132023</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi Ashworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After giving birth to a child with many disabilities (i.e. far less than perfect) which made it difficult for me to raise him &quot;right&quot; (i.e. perfect) I had to really give up on the perfectionism.  It was hard but I am very grateful to have the opportunity to learn that perfectionism is a disease, not a virtue.  However, now that he is 19 and I have totally accepted him as he is and things are getting easier for our family (we have two younger children) I find that I am expecting more of myself again.  I have never been to Women&#039;s Conference (I live in Calfornia and did I mention?--disabled son) but I watch them on BYU TV and I have really mixed feelings about it.  Sometimes the speakers can be inspiring, sometimes they make it clear that they understand that we can&#039;t do it all but then sometimes you get someone (or a panel of women) discussing how they &quot;did it&quot; (i.e. &quot;right&quot;) and it makes me feel like I am just not keeping up.  I have to remind myself that my whole family has had severe setbacks b/c of this one beloved son (too much to go into here but trust me, it&#039;s been crazy!)but I am starting to feel like I should be doing better.  I am shocked at myself!  I thought I was over feeling bad about not being &quot;good enough&quot;.  I guess I still have a long way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After giving birth to a child with many disabilities (i.e. far less than perfect) which made it difficult for me to raise him &#8220;right&#8221; (i.e. perfect) I had to really give up on the perfectionism.  It was hard but I am very grateful to have the opportunity to learn that perfectionism is a disease, not a virtue.  However, now that he is 19 and I have totally accepted him as he is and things are getting easier for our family (we have two younger children) I find that I am expecting more of myself again.  I have never been to Women&#8217;s Conference (I live in Calfornia and did I mention?&#8211;disabled son) but I watch them on BYU TV and I have really mixed feelings about it.  Sometimes the speakers can be inspiring, sometimes they make it clear that they understand that we can&#8217;t do it all but then sometimes you get someone (or a panel of women) discussing how they &#8220;did it&#8221; (i.e. &#8220;right&#8221;) and it makes me feel like I am just not keeping up.  I have to remind myself that my whole family has had severe setbacks b/c of this one beloved son (too much to go into here but trust me, it&#8217;s been crazy!)but I am starting to feel like I should be doing better.  I am shocked at myself!  I thought I was over feeling bad about not being &#8220;good enough&#8221;.  I guess I still have a long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Carly</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131842</link>
		<dc:creator>Carly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late on joining the conversation but I truly enjoyed this discussion. I&#039;ve noticed that when I read a parenting magazine I often walk away feeling overwhelmed and dissapointed in myself yet when I listen to conference I am always uplifted and encouraged. I thought about this for awhile, it both cases I am reminded of things I could do better but the difference is the spirit. I walk away from conference with the desire to grow but not feeling like I have to do everything perfectly right now. I think if we replace perfection with being christlike we grow but we are HAPPY while we grow not burdened. The spirit also changes how we interact with others, you know those people who you look up too yet you feel encouraged and comforted around them, contrast that with those people in your life that you feel you have to compete with...you always leave feeling exhausted. You and Katie have been that comfort to me all my life. Two women who I look up too and feel lifted every time I&#039;m around you. To be able to lift another and encourage is truly a gift of the spirit that comes from righteous living. With the spirit active in our life it makes it easier to see ourselves (and others) how the Lord sees us....and to recognize Satan&#039;s lies for what they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late on joining the conversation but I truly enjoyed this discussion. I&#8217;ve noticed that when I read a parenting magazine I often walk away feeling overwhelmed and dissapointed in myself yet when I listen to conference I am always uplifted and encouraged. I thought about this for awhile, it both cases I am reminded of things I could do better but the difference is the spirit. I walk away from conference with the desire to grow but not feeling like I have to do everything perfectly right now. I think if we replace perfection with being christlike we grow but we are HAPPY while we grow not burdened. The spirit also changes how we interact with others, you know those people who you look up too yet you feel encouraged and comforted around them, contrast that with those people in your life that you feel you have to compete with&#8230;you always leave feeling exhausted. You and Katie have been that comfort to me all my life. Two women who I look up too and feel lifted every time I&#8217;m around you. To be able to lift another and encourage is truly a gift of the spirit that comes from righteous living. With the spirit active in our life it makes it easier to see ourselves (and others) how the Lord sees us&#8230;.and to recognize Satan&#8217;s lies for what they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Tori</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131671</link>
		<dc:creator>Tori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautiful blog post and SUCH lovely follow-up commentary!! ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful blog post and SUCH lovely follow-up commentary!! ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Lila</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131649</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Lila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perfectionism is a place for pride to hide.&quot;  Impressive Heath, have you been reading C.S. Lewis?  My goal for 2009 is based on A of Faith #13, to seek out the LOVELINESS in all around me.  This whole discussion has been wonderful, thank you authors.  I had an ah-ha moment when trying to process the many insights;  if we are seeking the lovely in others we don&#039;t worry about how we are measuring up.  It&#039;s very liberating. like a treasure hunt.  Some people&#039;s loveliness is easily detected or obviouse in certain areas.  Others I have to search.  The fun part is I find myself excited when I pin-point something, as if i did find a sparkly prize.  This could also work on a self-rediscovery level too, couldn&#039;t it?  Searching for loveliness within could replace the negative labeling I tend to mumble when the going get tuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perfectionism is a place for pride to hide.&#8221;  Impressive Heath, have you been reading C.S. Lewis?  My goal for 2009 is based on A of Faith #13, to seek out the LOVELINESS in all around me.  This whole discussion has been wonderful, thank you authors.  I had an ah-ha moment when trying to process the many insights;  if we are seeking the lovely in others we don&#8217;t worry about how we are measuring up.  It&#8217;s very liberating. like a treasure hunt.  Some people&#8217;s loveliness is easily detected or obviouse in certain areas.  Others I have to search.  The fun part is I find myself excited when I pin-point something, as if i did find a sparkly prize.  This could also work on a self-rediscovery level too, couldn&#8217;t it?  Searching for loveliness within could replace the negative labeling I tend to mumble when the going get tuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciated the original post, and the thoughtful comments.

I have been participating in an interesting email thread with the women in my husband&#039;s family that relates to this list idea.

I don&#039;t feel comfortable scrapping the list completely. Here is a portion of one of the emails I wrote:

&quot;We have been counseled recently by the brethren, that although we need to be sensitive to those who do not have the ideal family situation, that we should continue to teach the ideal, allowing mercy and kindness towards those who are not able to experience that at this time. The ideal, in this case, would describe the traditional family of mother, father, and children, who are striving to do the will of the Lord.
 
I would apply this concept to what we strive for as women. Just because we can&#039;t perfect ourselves all at once, doesn&#039;t mean that we should lower the bar. Our ultimate goal is perfection. However, (I know I have been a hypocrite on this one here), we should be more merciful and kind to ourselves and each other as we journey back to the Savior. We should do more to seek the cleansing and comforting power of the Atonement, and find peace in giving our best, whatever that may be at the time, and do more to encourage others in a positive manner, giving the benefit of the doubt.&quot; 

I DO agree that when Satan is beating us over the head with the list, that this discouragement is clearly not of God.

I also think we need to be careful about what kinds of things we put on the list. Sometimes we put things there that God would not choose for us to put there. 

And finally, I think we need to keep a better eternal perspective. I can be perfect in Christ now, because I am in a partnership with him. Someday, I may be perfected through him, and be perfect on my own, but not yet.

And to anon...of course the sisters who come to your class want practical suggestions! And I am guessing you have some great information to offer since you were asked to teach it. I think the key is to just acknowledge that learning to spend less at the grocery store while eating healthy is a process for most of us, and the sisters should leave your class encouraged that they can make progress in this area. Maybe they can take one or two ideas you&#039;ve offered to start on right away, and that they can add others as they progress in this area. 

PS On my list right now: 

1. Practice showing mercy, to others and myself. 

2. Organize my home better so I can enjoy more time with my family and friends.

There are other things on my back burner list...increase food storage, increase temple attendance, increase time spent in the scriptures, figure out how to teach my children to help at home more, lose 30 more pounds, train for a 5K, write a book, etc etc...but those are not the focus right now. Some days I do make a little progress in these other areas, and at some point in the future, I will focus on these other things. But not now, this is not the season for these things.

Sorry that was so long!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciated the original post, and the thoughtful comments.</p>
<p>I have been participating in an interesting email thread with the women in my husband&#8217;s family that relates to this list idea.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel comfortable scrapping the list completely. Here is a portion of one of the emails I wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;We have been counseled recently by the brethren, that although we need to be sensitive to those who do not have the ideal family situation, that we should continue to teach the ideal, allowing mercy and kindness towards those who are not able to experience that at this time. The ideal, in this case, would describe the traditional family of mother, father, and children, who are striving to do the will of the Lord.</p>
<p>I would apply this concept to what we strive for as women. Just because we can&#8217;t perfect ourselves all at once, doesn&#8217;t mean that we should lower the bar. Our ultimate goal is perfection. However, (I know I have been a hypocrite on this one here), we should be more merciful and kind to ourselves and each other as we journey back to the Savior. We should do more to seek the cleansing and comforting power of the Atonement, and find peace in giving our best, whatever that may be at the time, and do more to encourage others in a positive manner, giving the benefit of the doubt.&#8221; </p>
<p>I DO agree that when Satan is beating us over the head with the list, that this discouragement is clearly not of God.</p>
<p>I also think we need to be careful about what kinds of things we put on the list. Sometimes we put things there that God would not choose for us to put there. </p>
<p>And finally, I think we need to keep a better eternal perspective. I can be perfect in Christ now, because I am in a partnership with him. Someday, I may be perfected through him, and be perfect on my own, but not yet.</p>
<p>And to anon&#8230;of course the sisters who come to your class want practical suggestions! And I am guessing you have some great information to offer since you were asked to teach it. I think the key is to just acknowledge that learning to spend less at the grocery store while eating healthy is a process for most of us, and the sisters should leave your class encouraged that they can make progress in this area. Maybe they can take one or two ideas you&#8217;ve offered to start on right away, and that they can add others as they progress in this area. </p>
<p>PS On my list right now: </p>
<p>1. Practice showing mercy, to others and myself. </p>
<p>2. Organize my home better so I can enjoy more time with my family and friends.</p>
<p>There are other things on my back burner list&#8230;increase food storage, increase temple attendance, increase time spent in the scriptures, figure out how to teach my children to help at home more, lose 30 more pounds, train for a 5K, write a book, etc etc&#8230;but those are not the focus right now. Some days I do make a little progress in these other areas, and at some point in the future, I will focus on these other things. But not now, this is not the season for these things.</p>
<p>Sorry that was so long!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharlee</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131629</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalissa, wow.  Powerful stuff.  Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Shalissa</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131623</link>
		<dc:creator>Shalissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you everybody for giving me lots of wonderful tidbits to chew on.  

I&#039;d just add a reference to Revelation 12:10-11 (below), which gives one of Satan&#039;s names as &quot;the accuser, who accused them before God day and night.&quot;  I think when he accuses us, he uses the first person. So instead of &quot;you&#039;re not good enough&quot; he whispers &quot;I&#039;m not good enough&quot; and we think the thoughts are coming from our own hearts instead of from him as temptations.  That&#039;s the way he tried to keep us from following Christ in the pre-existence, same as now.  And then, as now, we respond: &quot;You&#039;re right; I&#039;m not good enough, but Christ is...and his grace will save me.&quot;


Revelation 12:10-11
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 
  11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you everybody for giving me lots of wonderful tidbits to chew on.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d just add a reference to Revelation 12:10-11 (below), which gives one of Satan&#8217;s names as &#8220;the accuser, who accused them before God day and night.&#8221;  I think when he accuses us, he uses the first person. So instead of &#8220;you&#8217;re not good enough&#8221; he whispers &#8220;I&#8217;m not good enough&#8221; and we think the thoughts are coming from our own hearts instead of from him as temptations.  That&#8217;s the way he tried to keep us from following Christ in the pre-existence, same as now.  And then, as now, we respond: &#8220;You&#8217;re right; I&#8217;m not good enough, but Christ is&#8230;and his grace will save me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Revelation 12:10-11<br />
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.<br />
  11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: An Unnamed Woman</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131561</link>
		<dc:creator>An Unnamed Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this.  I too struggle with pride.  I love my lists - they do keep me sane and moderately organized - but I need to realize that certain things (like serving my husband) take precedence over checking off my list...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this.  I too struggle with pride.  I love my lists &#8211; they do keep me sane and moderately organized &#8211; but I need to realize that certain things (like serving my husband) take precedence over checking off my list&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Malisa</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/my-new-list/#comment-131548</link>
		<dc:creator>Malisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can so relate to all of this.  This is such a good topic.

Sometimes I do okay with this, but other times I get on a compare-myself-with-others kick.  I&#039;ll look at each person&#039;s strengths and see how I stack up.  One woman in my ward keeps an amazingly clean house.  I honestly think about it a few times a day - worrying that someone will realize my house is as messy as it is!  I sometimes have imaginary conversations about how I would excuse it.  How pathetic!

The problem is that there are so many aspects to compare.  When I finally let one thing go, there&#039;s another waiting in the wings - cleaning, raising kids, serving, testimony, hobbies, exercising, friendships, money, energy...  The list could go on forever.

I don&#039;t want people to compare themselves to me, good or bad.  I need to stop doing it at all!  I think I need to go blog about this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can so relate to all of this.  This is such a good topic.</p>
<p>Sometimes I do okay with this, but other times I get on a compare-myself-with-others kick.  I&#8217;ll look at each person&#8217;s strengths and see how I stack up.  One woman in my ward keeps an amazingly clean house.  I honestly think about it a few times a day &#8211; worrying that someone will realize my house is as messy as it is!  I sometimes have imaginary conversations about how I would excuse it.  How pathetic!</p>
<p>The problem is that there are so many aspects to compare.  When I finally let one thing go, there&#8217;s another waiting in the wings &#8211; cleaning, raising kids, serving, testimony, hobbies, exercising, friendships, money, energy&#8230;  The list could go on forever.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want people to compare themselves to me, good or bad.  I need to stop doing it at all!  I think I need to go blog about this!</p>
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		<title>By: Negativity kills &#124; MamaBlogga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Negativity kills &#124; MamaBlogga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then Tuesday came (AKA today). In my feed reader, I came across an article on negativity and perfectionism. Sometimes the good is the enemy of the best, when we while away our days with good things but not [...]</description>
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