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	<title>Comments on: Saul Bellow on Premortality</title>
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		<title>By: Dalene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have enjoyed your posts, Chris. Great food for thought.

As for today&#039;s (yesterday&#039;s really) question, I&#039;m still thinking. My initial response was, &quot;I want more points!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have enjoyed your posts, Chris. Great food for thought.</p>
<p>As for today&#8217;s (yesterday&#8217;s really) question, I&#8217;m still thinking. My initial response was, &#8220;I want more points!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Emily M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve enjoyed your posts, Chris!

Did I choose my trials? I don&#039;t know. But I think I was prepared for them, maybe without knowing what they were, which is a very different thing. You can prepare for something without knowing exactly what will happen in the moment it does. Right now, though, I see through a glass darkly: I&#039;m never quite sure, when in a trial, the source of any extra strength--is it from premortal preparation? Or just lots of current prayers on my behalf? Or the angels I imagine around me? Or a combination of them all, and something else? One of the things I am most looking forward to about eternity is seeing how all these pieces fit together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed your posts, Chris!</p>
<p>Did I choose my trials? I don&#8217;t know. But I think I was prepared for them, maybe without knowing what they were, which is a very different thing. You can prepare for something without knowing exactly what will happen in the moment it does. Right now, though, I see through a glass darkly: I&#8217;m never quite sure, when in a trial, the source of any extra strength&#8211;is it from premortal preparation? Or just lots of current prayers on my behalf? Or the angels I imagine around me? Or a combination of them all, and something else? One of the things I am most looking forward to about eternity is seeing how all these pieces fit together.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I come across that paradox -- the great Why of suffering, I think of two lines.  One from the Bible and one from Toni Morrison:

Genesis 50:20
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. (e.g. earthly evil and pain can be transformed to work for our good in the end -- that&#039;s the point of the atonement, right?)


From The Bluest Eye
&quot;There is really nothing more to say- except why. But since why is difficult to handle one must take refuge in how.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I come across that paradox &#8212; the great Why of suffering, I think of two lines.  One from the Bible and one from Toni Morrison:</p>
<p>Genesis 50:20<br />
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. (e.g. earthly evil and pain can be transformed to work for our good in the end &#8212; that&#8217;s the point of the atonement, right?)</p>
<p>From The Bluest Eye<br />
&#8220;There is really nothing more to say- except why. But since why is difficult to handle one must take refuge in how.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will indeed be interesting to see things play out. I tend to agree with Nancy R. though. It&#039;s probably an easier proposition to consider here in the wealthy western world than it would be, say, in Uganda. Considering the tremendous physical and mental suffering by so many people throughout this world, are we to suppose that we chose it? I wonder if that would require a level of self-realization that we did not have at that time and, in fact, came to this earth to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will indeed be interesting to see things play out. I tend to agree with Nancy R. though. It&#8217;s probably an easier proposition to consider here in the wealthy western world than it would be, say, in Uganda. Considering the tremendous physical and mental suffering by so many people throughout this world, are we to suppose that we chose it? I wonder if that would require a level of self-realization that we did not have at that time and, in fact, came to this earth to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bigelow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bigelow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, surely neither Bellow nor I believe that these things happen in all cases or even in most, just that they&#039;re possible. 

I&#039;m sure God makes many decisions about our families and trials without having consulted us in premortality, and I&#039;m sure he let us make some of our own premortal choices without full knowledge of all the implications, just as we do in mortality. On the other hand, I&#039;m sure these things are sometimes simply determined by the random chance that I believe God allows to operate to a degree in human affairs. Besides, maybe you affiliated yourself in premortality with your future earthly family before there was any indication of the earthly trials that awaited them (and thus you). Or maybe you didn&#039;tâ€”at this point, only God knows.

In other words, I&#039;m sure the circumstances and events of our lives arise from a mixture of premortal and mortal self-determination, God&#039;s will, and mortal chance. Each person undoubtedly is affected by a different proportion of those three forces; it will be interesting to see the full picture in the afterlife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, surely neither Bellow nor I believe that these things happen in all cases or even in most, just that they&#8217;re possible. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure God makes many decisions about our families and trials without having consulted us in premortality, and I&#8217;m sure he let us make some of our own premortal choices without full knowledge of all the implications, just as we do in mortality. On the other hand, I&#8217;m sure these things are sometimes simply determined by the random chance that I believe God allows to operate to a degree in human affairs. Besides, maybe you affiliated yourself in premortality with your future earthly family before there was any indication of the earthly trials that awaited them (and thus you). Or maybe you didn&#8217;tâ€”at this point, only God knows.</p>
<p>In other words, I&#8217;m sure the circumstances and events of our lives arise from a mixture of premortal and mortal self-determination, God&#8217;s will, and mortal chance. Each person undoubtedly is affected by a different proportion of those three forces; it will be interesting to see the full picture in the afterlife.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard some suggest in Sunday School that we were able to choose our families before we were born. I have a very hard time believing this. If you come from a generally nice family, sure, it would be nice to think that you had a hand in that. If your trials have generally been manageable, then it would be nice to think that you had a hand in that too. But there are many people who don&#039;t come from nice families and have trials that are unbearable. Did they choose these things? I really don&#039;t think so. 

With two mentally ill parents - one of whom committed suicide when I was a teenager - I am certain that I did not choose my family or my trials. If I had any real understanding of what my trials would have been like, I would not have chosen them. But I believe that God chose them for me. He has a much better understanding of what I could bear and what I could become despite those trials. In premortality, we would not have had God&#039;s omniscience and it seems like that would be an important skill in putting people into family groups and assigning trials. We wouldn&#039;t have had the foresight to get all of that right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard some suggest in Sunday School that we were able to choose our families before we were born. I have a very hard time believing this. If you come from a generally nice family, sure, it would be nice to think that you had a hand in that. If your trials have generally been manageable, then it would be nice to think that you had a hand in that too. But there are many people who don&#8217;t come from nice families and have trials that are unbearable. Did they choose these things? I really don&#8217;t think so. </p>
<p>With two mentally ill parents &#8211; one of whom committed suicide when I was a teenager &#8211; I am certain that I did not choose my family or my trials. If I had any real understanding of what my trials would have been like, I would not have chosen them. But I believe that God chose them for me. He has a much better understanding of what I could bear and what I could become despite those trials. In premortality, we would not have had God&#8217;s omniscience and it seems like that would be an important skill in putting people into family groups and assigning trials. We wouldn&#8217;t have had the foresight to get all of that right.</p>
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