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		<title>By: kyles</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-163250</link>
		<dc:creator>kyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love Segullah... this is my first comment ever...

My testimony of Joseph Smith came unexpectedly and to me, it seems, a little undeservedly.  I was sitting in a sacrament meeting dedicated to the anniversary of the Aaronic Priesthood. I was 20 and had moved to Sydney to work and was away from my family, and for one reason or another, I was feeling really bitter about life, the church and anything else really!  The intermediate hymn started. It was &#039;Joseph Smith&#039;s First Prayer&#039; and I thought to myself &quot;not this hymn AGAIN - I&#039;m not even going to sing&quot; (so rebellious huh!!??) Anyway, I sat scowling through &#039;bees were humming, sweet birds singing...&#039; even &#039;a shining glorious pillar&#039; was nothing to me - I thought! 
But something compelled me to sing the last verse, &quot;Joseph, this is my beloved&quot; and  that was about all I could get out because I was totally filled with this KNOWLEDGE that this really was said by Heavenly Father to Joseph Smith!  I couldn&#039;t sing then even if I wanted to - for tears... Bitterness washed away into love for all mankind. I had a desire to do good... The fruits of the spirit were overflowing and it felt beautiful.  I *knew* it was true.
Now, married with 5 children, I find myself in a ward where for some reason, most of the time really unfamiliar hymns are sung from week to week - which most of the congregation don&#039;t know, and I have this urge to sing the stirring old favourites like Joseph Smith&#039;s First Prayer or The Spirit of God... there is great power in a hymn... a hymn brought me my testimony of Joseph Smith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love Segullah&#8230; this is my first comment ever&#8230;</p>
<p>My testimony of Joseph Smith came unexpectedly and to me, it seems, a little undeservedly.  I was sitting in a sacrament meeting dedicated to the anniversary of the Aaronic Priesthood. I was 20 and had moved to Sydney to work and was away from my family, and for one reason or another, I was feeling really bitter about life, the church and anything else really!  The intermediate hymn started. It was &#8216;Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Prayer&#8217; and I thought to myself &#8220;not this hymn AGAIN &#8211; I&#8217;m not even going to sing&#8221; (so rebellious huh!!??) Anyway, I sat scowling through &#8216;bees were humming, sweet birds singing&#8230;&#8217; even &#8216;a shining glorious pillar&#8217; was nothing to me &#8211; I thought!<br />
But something compelled me to sing the last verse, &#8220;Joseph, this is my beloved&#8221; and  that was about all I could get out because I was totally filled with this KNOWLEDGE that this really was said by Heavenly Father to Joseph Smith!  I couldn&#8217;t sing then even if I wanted to &#8211; for tears&#8230; Bitterness washed away into love for all mankind. I had a desire to do good&#8230; The fruits of the spirit were overflowing and it felt beautiful.  I *knew* it was true.<br />
Now, married with 5 children, I find myself in a ward where for some reason, most of the time really unfamiliar hymns are sung from week to week &#8211; which most of the congregation don&#8217;t know, and I have this urge to sing the stirring old favourites like Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Prayer or The Spirit of God&#8230; there is great power in a hymn&#8230; a hymn brought me my testimony of Joseph Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: anon for this</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-163177</link>
		<dc:creator>anon for this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a teensy testimony of joseph smith for about 20 years.  It was a small feeling during my prayers one night, but I&#039;ll take what I get.  In the past 5 years I finally got a testimony of the book of mormon, which adds weight to the prophet testimony.

But here is where I struggle: it&#039;s all the stuff we &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; talk about concerning our beloved prophet, specifically the polygamy stuff, that form the basis of my husband losing his faith. Which causes me deep sadness.

And not just his faith in the church, but in God at all.  

Any time we talk about it, he can&#039;t believe that knowing the things I know about (which aren&#039;t mere heresay or disputable--there are well-documented accounts of the stuff he&#039;s referring to), that I would still believe this church is Gods true church (if there is a God).  

It&#039;s a huge wedge issue for us, and I can&#039;t fathom how to reconcile it.  so I just kind of don&#039;t bother trying...much to his frustration.  He doesn&#039;t understand my ignoring &quot;the facts&quot;, and yet, I can&#039;t discount my experiences and testimony.  I don&#039;t know how to make them co-exist with each other (really, can the?), so I guess I do just take the &quot;I&#039;m seeing through a glass darkly&quot; stance, and figure it&#039;ll all make sense someday.  

For now, I&#039;m just clinging on to what crumbs of belief and faith I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a teensy testimony of joseph smith for about 20 years.  It was a small feeling during my prayers one night, but I&#8217;ll take what I get.  In the past 5 years I finally got a testimony of the book of mormon, which adds weight to the prophet testimony.</p>
<p>But here is where I struggle: it&#8217;s all the stuff we <i>don&#8217;t</i> talk about concerning our beloved prophet, specifically the polygamy stuff, that form the basis of my husband losing his faith. Which causes me deep sadness.</p>
<p>And not just his faith in the church, but in God at all.  </p>
<p>Any time we talk about it, he can&#8217;t believe that knowing the things I know about (which aren&#8217;t mere heresay or disputable&#8211;there are well-documented accounts of the stuff he&#8217;s referring to), that I would still believe this church is Gods true church (if there is a God).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a huge wedge issue for us, and I can&#8217;t fathom how to reconcile it.  so I just kind of don&#8217;t bother trying&#8230;much to his frustration.  He doesn&#8217;t understand my ignoring &#8220;the facts&#8221;, and yet, I can&#8217;t discount my experiences and testimony.  I don&#8217;t know how to make them co-exist with each other (really, can the?), so I guess I do just take the &#8220;I&#8217;m seeing through a glass darkly&#8221; stance, and figure it&#8217;ll all make sense someday.  </p>
<p>For now, I&#8217;m just clinging on to what crumbs of belief and faith I have.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-163059</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the Old Testament, from before and after the story of Zipporah, really gave me a picture of God working with fallible humanity. 

Sometimes, though, it seems we are only comfortable if that fallibility is at least a thousand or two years away, rather than just a hundred or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the Old Testament, from before and after the story of Zipporah, really gave me a picture of God working with fallible humanity. </p>
<p>Sometimes, though, it seems we are only comfortable if that fallibility is at least a thousand or two years away, rather than just a hundred or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can completely understand what you said about just kind of figuring that since I believe the Book of Mormon I must believe in Joseph Smith&#039;s part in it as well, because that was how I felt for a long time. I am a convert to the church, and have been a member for 11 years now. I would say that at this point, I have a bit of a testimony of Joseph Smith, but not as strong as I one day hope to. I think that part of my hangup is the way everyone talks about him like he was perfect and could do no wrong, and that anything bad ever said about him is a lie perpetrated by his enemies. He was a man, and as such was not perfect, and did not always know what he was doing. I personally think that is a good thing, not something detrimental to his character. 

I was called to be a teacher in Relief Society in a ward in Utah when I lived there five years ago or so, and one lesson was about Joseph Smith. During my lesson, I made mention of the fact that I was glad to learn more about him, because I had never really had a strong testimony about him aside from the fact that I knew he was a prophet of God. You could have heard a pin drop in that Relief Society, and most of the women couldn&#039;t even look me in the eye. I felt very ashamed and then embarrassed that I had said it (I often say things when I am teaching that I then think &quot;I wonder if I shouldn&#039;t have said that&quot; - not inappropriate things, but things that may make people wonder what is wrong with me.) 

Something that I have a problem with in the church, not so much the Gospel, is the way people talk about the pioneers like they were perfect also. They were persecuted, yes, and run out of towns, but there are also plenty of accounts and things that show that a lot of them were also haughty about having found the true church, and they may not have been so friendly to people outside of the church. This in no way means that they deserved to be abused, but it does show that they were not infallible and helps you understand why maybe people weren&#039;t so fond of them all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can completely understand what you said about just kind of figuring that since I believe the Book of Mormon I must believe in Joseph Smith&#8217;s part in it as well, because that was how I felt for a long time. I am a convert to the church, and have been a member for 11 years now. I would say that at this point, I have a bit of a testimony of Joseph Smith, but not as strong as I one day hope to. I think that part of my hangup is the way everyone talks about him like he was perfect and could do no wrong, and that anything bad ever said about him is a lie perpetrated by his enemies. He was a man, and as such was not perfect, and did not always know what he was doing. I personally think that is a good thing, not something detrimental to his character. </p>
<p>I was called to be a teacher in Relief Society in a ward in Utah when I lived there five years ago or so, and one lesson was about Joseph Smith. During my lesson, I made mention of the fact that I was glad to learn more about him, because I had never really had a strong testimony about him aside from the fact that I knew he was a prophet of God. You could have heard a pin drop in that Relief Society, and most of the women couldn&#8217;t even look me in the eye. I felt very ashamed and then embarrassed that I had said it (I often say things when I am teaching that I then think &#8220;I wonder if I shouldn&#8217;t have said that&#8221; &#8211; not inappropriate things, but things that may make people wonder what is wrong with me.) </p>
<p>Something that I have a problem with in the church, not so much the Gospel, is the way people talk about the pioneers like they were perfect also. They were persecuted, yes, and run out of towns, but there are also plenty of accounts and things that show that a lot of them were also haughty about having found the true church, and they may not have been so friendly to people outside of the church. This in no way means that they deserved to be abused, but it does show that they were not infallible and helps you understand why maybe people weren&#8217;t so fond of them all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Justine</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-162996</link>
		<dc:creator>Justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Joseph Smith. I love that he was chastised &lt;b&gt;by the Lord&lt;/b&gt; 24 times &lt;b&gt;in the scriptures!&lt;/b&gt; It makes me feel like there&#039;s hope for me. And it makes me really glad that millions of people don&#039;t have to read about how I screwed up in their holy canons.

His life makes me really hopeful, and really happy that I don&#039;t have to be perfect. He accomplished a lot of things and was an incredible person and he &lt;b&gt;talked to GOD!&lt;/b&gt; but he still messed things up sometimes, and for that I am incredibly grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Joseph Smith. I love that he was chastised <b>by the Lord</b> 24 times <b>in the scriptures!</b> It makes me feel like there&#8217;s hope for me. And it makes me really glad that millions of people don&#8217;t have to read about how I screwed up in their holy canons.</p>
<p>His life makes me really hopeful, and really happy that I don&#8217;t have to be perfect. He accomplished a lot of things and was an incredible person and he <b>talked to GOD!</b> but he still messed things up sometimes, and for that I am incredibly grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I was lucky that I sort of had no testimony until I was about sixteen. Then I had the most clear revelation I had ever had up to that point that Joseph Smith, while sounding absolutely batty, told the truth about that vision. In that moment I realized that God was in fact actually there and sometimes thought things were important enough to tell us. That was the beginning of my real faith in the Church of Jesus Christ, although I was raised in an LDS home. In Utah, even. 

I&#039;ve had my questions when I&#039;ve heard/read the odd things, too, but it&#039;s the same way it was when I had a hard time on my mission or have hard times in my marriage. I still have those moments of pure revelation to look back to and know that I need to choose faith again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was lucky that I sort of had no testimony until I was about sixteen. Then I had the most clear revelation I had ever had up to that point that Joseph Smith, while sounding absolutely batty, told the truth about that vision. In that moment I realized that God was in fact actually there and sometimes thought things were important enough to tell us. That was the beginning of my real faith in the Church of Jesus Christ, although I was raised in an LDS home. In Utah, even. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had my questions when I&#8217;ve heard/read the odd things, too, but it&#8217;s the same way it was when I had a hard time on my mission or have hard times in my marriage. I still have those moments of pure revelation to look back to and know that I need to choose faith again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sage</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-162944</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say I am like the other sisters who felt Joseph was a prophet from an early age. I still remember bearing testimony when I was about four-and I meant it. I only came to doubts when I was at BYU. Go figure. But those doubts were diminished by my firm belief in the Book of Mormon and then my realization of the humanity of Joseph Smith.

When I read Rough Stone Rolling, I felt that twinge of embarrassment at the prophet&#039;s mistakes. But in the context of what he had accomplished in his life through his obedience, I was able to let it go.

I also have had repeated confirmations while teaching as a missionary and visiting Palmyra.

What a blessing to have the True Church, the priesthood, the BoM, D&amp;C, and Pearl of Great Price through the efforts of this man called as a prophet.

Thanks for this honest post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say I am like the other sisters who felt Joseph was a prophet from an early age. I still remember bearing testimony when I was about four-and I meant it. I only came to doubts when I was at BYU. Go figure. But those doubts were diminished by my firm belief in the Book of Mormon and then my realization of the humanity of Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>When I read Rough Stone Rolling, I felt that twinge of embarrassment at the prophet&#8217;s mistakes. But in the context of what he had accomplished in his life through his obedience, I was able to let it go.</p>
<p>I also have had repeated confirmations while teaching as a missionary and visiting Palmyra.</p>
<p>What a blessing to have the True Church, the priesthood, the BoM, D&amp;C, and Pearl of Great Price through the efforts of this man called as a prophet.</p>
<p>Thanks for this honest post.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-162896</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so appreciate Strollerblader&#039;s comments. It is a mystery to me why two people who learn and hear the same information can have such different take-aways. How can one of my friends completely walk away from their (Mormon) religious upbringing and the other stay strong. Why are some okay with the quirkiness of our history and others completely bothered? I think Joseph Smith was odd; I really do. But in my heart of hearts, I know being a member of this church is where I am supposed to be and could not walk away even if I tried. Trust me, I&#039;ve tried. So what do I do with my knowledge of Joseph Smith? I continue to work through it. I can&#039;t ignore it because facts are facts but I try and find where it belongs in my beliefs. Its a journey and a journey I hope will come to an end. And at the end I will be more firmly rooted in my religion. I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so appreciate Strollerblader&#8217;s comments. It is a mystery to me why two people who learn and hear the same information can have such different take-aways. How can one of my friends completely walk away from their (Mormon) religious upbringing and the other stay strong. Why are some okay with the quirkiness of our history and others completely bothered? I think Joseph Smith was odd; I really do. But in my heart of hearts, I know being a member of this church is where I am supposed to be and could not walk away even if I tried. Trust me, I&#8217;ve tried. So what do I do with my knowledge of Joseph Smith? I continue to work through it. I can&#8217;t ignore it because facts are facts but I try and find where it belongs in my beliefs. Its a journey and a journey I hope will come to an end. And at the end I will be more firmly rooted in my religion. I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-162887</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t an answer to your questions, but I have a picture of my husband kissing a statue of Joseph Smith. We were dating and went to his birthplace in Vermon and he climbed up on the pedestal to plant one on the statue.

That picture might start a whole &#039;nother conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t an answer to your questions, but I have a picture of my husband kissing a statue of Joseph Smith. We were dating and went to his birthplace in Vermon and he climbed up on the pedestal to plant one on the statue.</p>
<p>That picture might start a whole &#8216;nother conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Strollerblader</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/statue-of-limitations/#comment-162870</link>
		<dc:creator>Strollerblader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a dh who doesn&#039;t really believe anymore, this has definitely been an issue for us.  Yet, all along, I&#039;ve wondered why it is that I can hear the same weird things about Joseph Smith as he does, but it still doesn&#039;t affect my testimony like it has his.  I&#039;ve pondered on that a lot, wondering what the difference is between my dh and me.  

A couple of weeks ago, the lesson in RS was about Joseph Smith&#039;s character, and while I was reading through others&#039; first-hand perceptions and descriptions of the Prophet, I realized that I felt those exact same feelings about some of the great priesthood leaders here in my stake, and in that roundabout way, it reconfirmed to me of Joseph&#039;s inspired role as the Prophet.

I guess what the difference between my dh&#039;s testimony and mine boil down to is that I believe even though there are things that I don&#039;t understand or &quot;get,&quot; I&#039;m fine with waiting until after this life to get it all figured out and sorted out.  He&#039;s not.  If it doesn&#039;t make sense now, then it&#039;s not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a dh who doesn&#8217;t really believe anymore, this has definitely been an issue for us.  Yet, all along, I&#8217;ve wondered why it is that I can hear the same weird things about Joseph Smith as he does, but it still doesn&#8217;t affect my testimony like it has his.  I&#8217;ve pondered on that a lot, wondering what the difference is between my dh and me.  </p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago, the lesson in RS was about Joseph Smith&#8217;s character, and while I was reading through others&#8217; first-hand perceptions and descriptions of the Prophet, I realized that I felt those exact same feelings about some of the great priesthood leaders here in my stake, and in that roundabout way, it reconfirmed to me of Joseph&#8217;s inspired role as the Prophet.</p>
<p>I guess what the difference between my dh&#8217;s testimony and mine boil down to is that I believe even though there are things that I don&#8217;t understand or &#8220;get,&#8221; I&#8217;m fine with waiting until after this life to get it all figured out and sorted out.  He&#8217;s not.  If it doesn&#8217;t make sense now, then it&#8217;s not true.</p>
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