F8C92806-27DE-44E5-B180-B5C67F99D9D4Every time a certain older gentleman in our ward (I’ll call him Brother G.) gets up to bear his testimony, I inwardly roll my eyes. All around me, I see fellow ward members slump in their pews as they brace themselves, eyes already glazing over. It doesn’t matter if the meeting is running over and Brother G. is the last testimony bearer: he will have his full time at the microphone, by golly, and Sunday School be damned. Last month Brother G. spoke about the men who bravely fought for our freedom and about the glories of war—and there was also something in there about cherry picking. That’s all I can tell you, because I was reading 1 Nephi during Brother G.’s sermon and then thinking about the cobbler I was going to make later (speaking of cherry picking….). My children have started timing Brother G.’s “testimonies” to pass the time. “Fifteen minutes and twenty-five seconds,” my thirteen-year-old whispered last month after Brother G. sat down. “That was twenty seconds shorter than last time.”

When I was a BYU coed, lo these many years ago, I once listened to a girl in our ward named Sheila claim during testimony meeting that she had done everything she was supposed to do in this life, and then she said, sobbing, “I think it’s time for Heavenly Father to send some other spirit to take my body.” My roommate and I looked at each other, eyebrows raised. The very next Sunday—I kid you not—Sheila had some sort of seizure during sacrament meeting and had to be carried out. While the obviously flustered speaker tried to continue as people were running in and out and yelling, “Breathe, Sheila! Breathe!” in the hallway, my roommate whispered to me, “It looks like Sheila is getting her wish.”

Let me just say that I love our church for having fast and testimony meeting every month. I love the fact that anyone who wants to can express their tender feelings and convictions about the gospel. And I know that because we’re human and some of us are senile and we’re all broken and needy in some way, those expressions aren’t always perfect testimonies. And the rest of us listen and tolerate and love—and there’s something to be learned from that. But I also use Brother G.’s and Sheila’s testimonies to teach my children what a testimony is not. It is not a fifteen-minute sermon, for one thing. It is certainly not a time to teach false doctrine (did Sheila believe in some weird sort of reincarnation?). It is also not a confession of one’s sins, as I learned on my mission in Peru when the branch president confessed during testimony meeting that he’d gotten drunk the week before and begged for forgiveness (yes, we were glad we didn’t bring any investigators that day). It is not a description of one’s vision of the Virgin Mary (same testimony meeting) or a description of one’s vision of their son’s future role as apostle, or a description of any other vision, come to think of it (except, of course, the First Vision). It is not an opportunity to show off one’s knowledge of Church doctrine and the scriptures or to read one’s patriarchal blessing. And it is not recounting one’s meeting with a general authority or the trip taken to Branson, as wonderful as those might have been.

And yet our ward sometimes has testimony meetings full of such testimonies. Our poor bishop has read us the “Testimony” section from the bishop’s handbook and pleads with us at the beginning of every testimony meeting to keep our testimonies brief and to the point, to no avail. That only seems to make people talk longer, as if the bishop has issued some kind of challenge. Our Relief Society president once muttered to me, “If you give someone a microphone in this ward, you never get it back.”

Last month I attended our girls’ camp testimony meeting. I love the girls in our ward and I think they are all bright, lovely, shining stars, full of hope and promise. But the testimony meeting went on for nearly two hours, with lots of sobbing and crying and some of the girls getting up two or three times. “Seriously?” I wanted to say, as I sat in my camp chair, cramped and stiff with cold, campfire smoke blowing in my face. “You’re getting up again?”

I know I wasn’t as spiritual as I should have been that night (did I mention the uncomfortable camp chair and my cold, stiff limbs?) and I know that girls’ camp testimony meetings are about cementing friendships and helping young women recognize their own budding testimonies, but I wonder about our tendency to confuse emotion with feelings of the Spirit, though the two are often connected. And I think of how we need to teach our youth, and remind ourselves, what a testimony is: brief, heartfelt, firm expressions of our knowledge of key, profound truths. I’ll take that over war and cherry picking any day.

22 Comments

  1. Seanette

    August 3, 2009

    I actually took notes during yesterday’s F&T. Even a member of the bishopric spent most of several minutes on a long, rambling story that didn’t have much to do with the spiritual (although he did eventually find a rather cursory connect).

    I think I need to do a blog post of my own about this. For me, F&T is the LEAST inspirational or spiritually enriching meeting around.

  2. Kathryn Paul

    August 3, 2009

    I have attended two amazing testimony meetings in Europe this summer. The first one was in Italy where I heard my son-in-law bear his testimony in Italian, while the Italian woman who had a crush on him while he was serving as a missionary, translated for me. She is getting married in the Madrid temple in September and she also shared a powerful testimony. I heard an investigator of three weeks share an amazing first testimony ever. A member of the bishopric closed the testimony meeting with his powerful testimony of temple work and the love he feels from his ancestors while in the temple. He has been a member of the church for only three years. It was the most beautiful testimony I’ve ever heard about temple work and it reflected my own feelings and experiences in the temple. What a spiritual feast! I LOVED that testimony meeting.

    Yesterday I attended testimony meeting in a tiny branch in Poland. I have been praying for the missionaries in that city for an entire year. It made me so happy to see they had reactived a woman who had gone to the temple for the first time last week. She shared a beautiful testimony of her love for the temple. My friend Beata shared an amazing story of faith and miracles, which I’ll probably share in some future blog. It was the last testimony meeting for several of the missiionaries, so their lovely testimonies were filled with tears.

    I will never forget when my son shared his testimony for the first time. It was at the end of his talk, but it was a miracle after years of praying, fasting, and temple attendance. Testimonies are powerful and I’m glad that I’m in Melissa’s ward because there is opposition in all things and when we do have a great testimony meeting, we all feel like dancing because we appreciate it so much. I will miss the sweet and sincere testimonies of the members in Europe.

  3. traci

    August 3, 2009

    AMEN AND AMEN!

  4. Mary

    August 3, 2009

    I feel a lot of guilt about how anxious and fidgity I feel during our ward’s testimony meetings. There are three sweet and emotionally needy people in our ward who usually take the bulk of the meeting and I find myself either internally rolling my eyes, or doing deep breathing when I see them approach the stand. There is always a testimony snuck in between these that is really wonderful and simple and powerful and exactly what I need to hear at any given time. But how I need to be in the right mood for the others.

    (I would say that I’m just unable to appreciate much of our ward’s testimony meetings because I’m grumpy and hormonal being 8 months pregnant and HOT since our chapel seems to be without proper air conditioning during this humid east coast summer, but I feel the same way during the meetings mid-winter as well. Sigh.)

  5. anon

    August 3, 2009

    Sometimes a testimony grows in the bearing of it. For some of us, that means that they don’t know they have a testimony until they start speaking of their feelings for the gospel, as did your girls at camp. For some of us that means bearing your testimony on a regular basis as part of missionary work until you feel it so powerfully it burns within you every hour. For others, loneliness and insecurity and wanting to appear “solid as a rock” in the gospel are the impetus to get up and give a fifteen-minute interpretation of the intercessory prayer. Perhaps, even though it is difficult to listen to the same people get up week after week, and although they may make your “eyes glaze over”, perhaps they’re very lonely and really sincerely need someone to listen. Or perhaps they’re afraid they haven’t done enough to leave their legacy behind. Be patient, understanding, and pray for charity.

  6. JM

    August 3, 2009

    I wish more of our testimonies were actual testimonies, too. We have our share of people who get up and give an obviously prepared talk. We have one who will not miss a month (I admit, I sometimes imagine her knocking someone out of the way in the race to the podium). We have those that go up to pat themselves on the back. What really bugs me, though, are the ones who can’t just let it be quiet for a few minutes. I cringe when I hear the words, “I just couldn’t let the time pass in silence.” Well, for crying out loud, why not? It’s that silence in the chapel that is often the most spiritual. We have a pause to consider what we’ve heard, to consider what we feel, to try to adjust our own attitudes, or even to realize that we ought to be up there bearing our own testimonies. When someone refuses to allow that silence to work it’s magic, we miss out on fresh, nervous testimonies that are rarely heard.
    I’m sorry, but if you are a silence filler, you may want to quit announcing that you are saving us from the quiet. We may not really appreciate your heroism.
    As for testimonies given by well-meaning ramblers, etc…, I agree that they call for patience. If we are having difficulty finding the testimony in their testimony, we could try looking for the sincerity in their testimony. Sometimes that sincerity is the message we need.

  7. Faith.Not.Fear

    August 3, 2009

    Yesterday, we were able to hear the sweet, simple testimony of a brand new returned missionary. His faith-filled testimony filled my heart with joy as it sounded just like the fervent testimony I’d heard our missionary son bear in the recording he sent last week.

    What we bear should bear others up, help strengthen their faith — that can happen as easily in a few simple sentences as it can in a half hour talk.

    Sis Barbara Thompson shared in Women’s Conference how her mission president asked them to bear testimony to an aspect of the restored Gospel at every opportunity. That meant learning how to sum up Gospel principles in a sentence or two — doors are only open so long sometimes!

    Bearing testimony to basic Gospel principles with the companionship of the Holy Ghost — that makes for powerful testimony meetings that bless both the sharers and the receivers.

    Some testimony meetings are like panning for gold, however — our job: to watch & listen for the golden nuggets!

  8. Jill Shelley

    August 3, 2009

    Very well written. I especially loved your line: “…And the rest of us listen and tolerate and love—and there’s something to be learned from that.”

  9. Brenda

    August 3, 2009

    I feel exactly the same way about fast and testimony meeting. I, too, served a mission and dreaded taking investigators on that first Sunday of the month. It was too unpredictable. Even now when someone says something bizarre my husband and I look at eachother and whisper, “I hope the missionaries don’t have any investigators here!”

    My recollection of girls camp testimony meetings was that they were mostly apology sessions…”I’m sorry to Suzy for treating her bad all week and for throwing her bra up in the tree.” Good times…

  10. Lucy

    August 3, 2009

    *heavy sigh* at the rembrance of Girls’ Camp testimony nights. I see they haven’t changed since the late 80’s. Ya’ gotta love ’em….but there really needs to be a line drawn there. I just don’t know how it should be done. We all keep plugging along, don’t we.

  11. Lindsay1138

    August 3, 2009

    When I was growing up I’d get sent out in the hall during Testimony meeting because one guy would get up and go on and on about clouds and trees and pioneers and marveling in his garden and he looked like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons and I just couldn’t keep from laughing.

  12. Michelle Glauser

    August 3, 2009

    I had one of my EFY girls write on her feedback form, “I felt the spirit at the testimony meeting, but I didn’t cry.” The last part of the sentence seemed like a question, a concern. Was I supposed to cry? Everyone else was. What is wrong with me? I hope we reiterated enough that different people feel the spirit differently.

  13. Lindsay

    August 3, 2009

    I, too, am a cringer–if someone is making a fool of themselves or spouting false doctrine, I shrink into my seat or my lap or my husband and cover my face with my hands. I just can’t take it.

    Yesterday we had a guy who’d just moved in stand at the pulpit talk about, among other things, how glad he was to get away from the evil liberals in California and how much he hated Nancy Pelosi. I just about died.

  14. Stephanie

    August 3, 2009

    I think every ward has a “Brother G.”
    My good friend’s kids play Tic Tac Testimony.
    Brother G is the “free space.”

  15. jendoop

    August 4, 2009

    My feelings are mixed. Don’t get me wrong, I cringe at Brother Gs too (and wonder if I have ever been a Brother G), but there is another side on which you can be extreme.

    Two years ago at girls camp the testimony meeting was outrageous- it went on for hours and two girls were so hysterical they were given priesthood blessings. Girls were going up, crying and then several friends would go up to stand with them and hug them while they continued with their testimony. There was an asthma attack too. I had never seen anything like it and it felt awkward.

    Last year the stake president spoke before the testimonies and very specifically outlined what is a testimony and what is not and that he wanted no leaders participating and that no one was to leave to use the bathroom (despite just having dinner and being encouraged to drink water because it was hot). The result, IMO, were testimonies that were carbon copies of each other. The girls were afraid to say more than specifically what the stake president outlined. I didn’t get much of their PERSONAL testimony, it felt like primary testimony meeting where the kids all parrot those who have gone before.

    I, as a leader who spent all week with the girls, wanted to share my testimony with them and give them encouragement as they left camp. So when we went back to our campfire I had a sharing session. We had a prayer, I shared my testimony and explained to the girls why I had sacrificed a week of my life to be there. Most of the girls then shared, many of them telling about the difficulties of their lives and then receiving strength from the other girls. It was intimate and personal, and short with only 15 girls. Afterwards several of the girls thanked me for having a sharing session.

    Sunday testimony meeting I don’t have answers for. But at girls camp I think the girls need a little something more to solidify the experiences they’ve had before they leave. I think the problem may be in the sheer size, when 150 girls are in the meeting it reaches a fevered pitch.

  16. Melissa M.

    August 4, 2009

    Thank you, ladies, for your comments. I would have replied yesterday but the site was having technical difficulties….

    Anyway, I appreciate your insights and the experiences you’ve shared. Kathryn, your comment helped me remember the sweet and simple testimonies I heard in the mission field. I remember the outrageous ones, like the branch president’s drinking confession and the sister’s description of her Virgin Mary vision, but I’d forgotten the simple, humble, powerful testimonies of our new converts. And in our established ward here in Provo, we don’t get a lot of those. I can see why you will miss those testimony meetings in Europe. JM, I appreciate your insights about the value of the silent moments in our testimony meetings. Lindsay, all I can say about your experience is “Yikes!” Politics have no place in our testimony meetings (or in our worship services in general).

    As for those girls’ camp testimony meetings—Brenda, Lucy, and Jendoop, it appears that girls’ camp testimony meetings haven’t changed much over the years. I understand the value, the necessity, of giving our young women the opportunity to express their growing testimonies (and I agree with anon that our testimonies grow as we bear them). But it’s tricky when that experience veers into hyperemotion and even hysteria. I agree with Jendoop that we need to find a balance between the hyperemotional girls’ camp testimony meeting and the opportunity to share genuine, personal feelings while bearing testimony. And I think we need to do a better job of teaching our youth that emotion/crying does not always equal testimony, as Michelle Glauser’s comment demonstrated.

    Bottom line for me is that testimony meetings can be uplifting and powerful when people bear sincere, heartfelt, real testimonies. I wish more of our testimonies were like that. But when they aren’t, it’s an opportunity for me to develop more charity and compassion—and I should be doing a better job of teaching that to my children.

    Thanks again for sharing.

  17. Liz C

    August 4, 2009

    I know I’ve been struggling with charity so much, and for so long, I’ve pretty much stopped attending testimony meeting. As I work on retraining my own will, I’m hoping it will improve.

    I have a non-LDS husband, and it’s *very* hard to avoid joining in when he starts talking about “testimonies” he’s been present for… he categorizes them into things like “Travelmony” and “Confessimony” and “Bragimony.” So, playing tic-tac-testimony would be a fun thing for him, but counterproductive toward my goal of learning to be more charitable to my fellow children of God. 🙂

  18. kyliem

    August 4, 2009

    Yeah, sometimes, people are just crazy. I mean, that’s kind of the point of fast and testimony meeting. We’re all fallible and human which is one of the reasons why it’s good for us to hear from each other and hear about the things we’ve experienced, etc. etc. And sometimes you just need to have charity. But can’t you combine charity with humor? I can still feel sympathy for the old lady who gets up in Sacrament meeting and rambles on and on about how she saw Satan in the corner of her room one night until he crawled out the window in the morning in the form of a shapeless blob (?…) and was never seen again, because yeah, she was on a mission, and missions are hard. Simultaneously, I can roll my eyes at the fact that she feels like it’s okay to share that over the pulpit and be slightly bugged by the fact that she’s life-scarring my younger sister. But I guess that’s part of being human–being sympathetic, amused, and annoyed at the same time happens all the time, not just at sacrament meeting. And fast and testimony meeting often reveals our deepest fallibilities (is that a word?) and shortcomings as well as our deepest souls. So. You go, Mormon church. Way to be cool like that.

    ps Most memorable weird fast and testimony meeting experience: the last Sunday of my BYU freshman ward where the counselors brought us chips and popcorn and we had a testimony meeting for FOUR HOURS. We stayed after church for an hour until five. It was slightly crazy. Tender and touching, yes. But also crazy, especially when my friend got up and started bearing his testimony about Bob Dylan and the Beatles for ten minutes. That was a fairly entertaining meeting : )

  19. Melissa M.

    August 5, 2009

    Kylie M, that sounds like a very entertaining testimony meeting. Four hours. Wow.

    I like your thoughts about how fast and testimony meetings help remind us that we’re all human and give us glimpses into one another’s souls.

  20. Faith.Not.Fear

    August 5, 2009

    Along those same lines, KylieM, I often wonder, when someone brings up things like that, if there isn’t someone in the room who needed to hear some aspect of it.

    I mean, if we, for the most part, get up as prompted by the Spirit, and we share as guided by the Spirit, then maybe even some of the unusual things have purpose.
    Not sure, but it’s possible. With the ones who are sincerely striving to share “by the Spirit.”

    Others, we need to be patient with until they learn how, I guess. My thoughts turn to investigators and new members, too — God protect them, or make them selectively deaf!

    I still pray every time that I’ll say what the Lord wants me to say — hopefully I do!

  21. Merry Michelle

    August 6, 2009

    I do remember testimony meetings on my mission being very anxiety filled as all of us prayed that no one would make a campaign speech, recount a “Virgin Mary” vision, or hand out ballots for all of us to vote for the next RS president (all very REAL memories).

    But at the same time, I remember the powerful intensity of simple, real prayers and testimonies born with humility, gratitude and inexperienced simplicity. I remember an Asian man praying for the first time after learning about Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and Joseph Smith and sincerely asking in broken English: “Is there a God? Was Joseph Smit real prophet? Tell me.” And the peace, electricity and heat felt throughout the room.

    I still hear those kinds of testimonies sometimes. But I have to be ready and open for them.

  22. Linda

    August 9, 2009

    When I was about 13, we lived in Florida and there was a brother like Brother G who went on and on in his testimony. We called him ‘soap opera’ and we’d roll our eyes because all he talked about was a huge soap opera literally!! I learned from him, however, and every time I bear my testimony I am short and to the point, no stories or experiences unless they are spiritual and brief. I never read scriptures, I just share what “I Know”.

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