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		<title>By: Nanette</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-151235</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we moved, we lived in a ward that was half newly-weds and half retired folk.  Honestly, if I hadn&#039;t been assigned to teach the older ladies, I never would&#039;ve tried to get to know them.  I naturally gravitate towards the gals with kids my age.

We were challenged to VT the way we&#039;d want to be VT.  For me, that meant lots of chatting...and then rounding it out with the heartfelt discussion at the end.

I didn&#039;t know I could be friends with someone so old.  What could we possibly have in common?  But I just listened.  I heard wonderful stories and shared my own.  Then at church, the older gals would say hello and wisk away my little baby to play with.

Go enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we moved, we lived in a ward that was half newly-weds and half retired folk.  Honestly, if I hadn&#8217;t been assigned to teach the older ladies, I never would&#8217;ve tried to get to know them.  I naturally gravitate towards the gals with kids my age.</p>
<p>We were challenged to VT the way we&#8217;d want to be VT.  For me, that meant lots of chatting&#8230;and then rounding it out with the heartfelt discussion at the end.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know I could be friends with someone so old.  What could we possibly have in common?  But I just listened.  I heard wonderful stories and shared my own.  Then at church, the older gals would say hello and wisk away my little baby to play with.</p>
<p>Go enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: natalie</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-150639</link>
		<dc:creator>natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;ve never been visiting taught in our ward -- it&#039;s been two years. And man, I really could have used a friend that first year. I would always want to leave church after Sunday School. Now, I&#039;m in YW, so I have a group of women and a purpose.

But I VT a spunky 68 year old woman, with a girl who grew up in the ward - and is now in her late 20s. Everytime we go, they just chat and chat about people I have no idea about. But I hope I&#039;m doing some good! Maybe its good because my partner and her talk? I don&#039;t know. 

I think VT is a good program though. Forced mingling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;ve never been visiting taught in our ward &#8212; it&#8217;s been two years. And man, I really could have used a friend that first year. I would always want to leave church after Sunday School. Now, I&#8217;m in YW, so I have a group of women and a purpose.</p>
<p>But I VT a spunky 68 year old woman, with a girl who grew up in the ward &#8211; and is now in her late 20s. Everytime we go, they just chat and chat about people I have no idea about. But I hope I&#8217;m doing some good! Maybe its good because my partner and her talk? I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>I think VT is a good program though. Forced mingling</p>
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		<title>By: Faith.Not.Fear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith.Not.Fear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t tell you how grateful I am for my VTers, VTing Comp :-), and the amazing women we have visited. The age span has covered about 40 years, top to bottom. But when we&#039;ve been together, the years melt away, and the Spirit has answered unspoken prayers time and time again. We&#039;ve been strengthened and uplifted; hopefully those we teach have been, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how grateful I am for my VTers, VTing Comp <img src='http://segullah.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , and the amazing women we have visited. The age span has covered about 40 years, top to bottom. But when we&#8217;ve been together, the years melt away, and the Spirit has answered unspoken prayers time and time again. We&#8217;ve been strengthened and uplifted; hopefully those we teach have been, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-150516</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Treats!!! I love treats but I think we do them far less in England than in the states.  I am always totally surprised if I ever get treats, and we are not even talking once a year here folks, so no they are not expected at all, ever.  I love any kind, especially chocolate related, but then they are so rare I am so grateful that someone went the extra mile.  I do take them myself but not every month, they can be a variety of things depending on what I am feeling like, cakes, jam, candles, flowers, books etc.  

I have had 2 favourite visiting teachers.  Sheila who would see a need and help whenever, and I never once felt awful that she thought my house was dirty or anything like that, someoone else could easily have got it wrong and offended me.  I just knew she never came to judge.  Also Becky, who is 15 years younger than me.  She was my visiting teacher for about a year before we became partners for the last 5 years.  She is one of those few people that just radiate happiness and goodness.  You can tell she genuinely cares and is not just there for figures.  As partners we have put the world to rights by sitting in the car on many occasions and crying sorting out our own lives before we go in to see the sisters.  Some people just become friends and not partners or visiting teachers, and some friends become true, close sisters of the heart.  Why?  Who know, but without an inspired person putting us together in the first place it may never have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treats!!! I love treats but I think we do them far less in England than in the states.  I am always totally surprised if I ever get treats, and we are not even talking once a year here folks, so no they are not expected at all, ever.  I love any kind, especially chocolate related, but then they are so rare I am so grateful that someone went the extra mile.  I do take them myself but not every month, they can be a variety of things depending on what I am feeling like, cakes, jam, candles, flowers, books etc.  </p>
<p>I have had 2 favourite visiting teachers.  Sheila who would see a need and help whenever, and I never once felt awful that she thought my house was dirty or anything like that, someoone else could easily have got it wrong and offended me.  I just knew she never came to judge.  Also Becky, who is 15 years younger than me.  She was my visiting teacher for about a year before we became partners for the last 5 years.  She is one of those few people that just radiate happiness and goodness.  You can tell she genuinely cares and is not just there for figures.  As partners we have put the world to rights by sitting in the car on many occasions and crying sorting out our own lives before we go in to see the sisters.  Some people just become friends and not partners or visiting teachers, and some friends become true, close sisters of the heart.  Why?  Who know, but without an inspired person putting us together in the first place it may never have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-150487</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, I&#039;m glad you&#039;re not in &#039;hang in there&#039; mode. I, too, think it&#039;s great that you care so much about this. This program really matters, and I appreciate the chance to think about how I can be better, too.

In response to your question -- I love VTers who are willing to chat for a bit, rather than just get the message over and done, check. (I know some prefer a quick visit!) I really hate it when it feels like a checklist item or chore. My current visiting teachers make me giddy. We chat, we laugh, we commiserate, and we rejoice in the Spirit together, too. Their hearts are open and loving. They are real with me -- willing to admit faults so I can talk about mine without wanting to hide. I feel they really care about me. And I feel like they enjoy visiting with me. 

(They just came today, so my feelings about them are fresh.)

One other thought -- I have come to feel very strongly that visiting teaching requires not only an open, loving heart of the VTers, but also of those who are visited. If we don&#039;t make a choice to let people into our hearts a bit, they can&#039;t really serve us well. That said, though, I appreciate so much those who make it easier for me to be vulnerable by opening up themselves.

(Case in point: today we talked about housework and how sometimes it just doesn&#039;t get done. And about spacey brains. And about being imperfect mothers. Good times.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re not in &#8216;hang in there&#8217; mode. I, too, think it&#8217;s great that you care so much about this. This program really matters, and I appreciate the chance to think about how I can be better, too.</p>
<p>In response to your question &#8212; I love VTers who are willing to chat for a bit, rather than just get the message over and done, check. (I know some prefer a quick visit!) I really hate it when it feels like a checklist item or chore. My current visiting teachers make me giddy. We chat, we laugh, we commiserate, and we rejoice in the Spirit together, too. Their hearts are open and loving. They are real with me &#8212; willing to admit faults so I can talk about mine without wanting to hide. I feel they really care about me. And I feel like they enjoy visiting with me. </p>
<p>(They just came today, so my feelings about them are fresh.)</p>
<p>One other thought &#8212; I have come to feel very strongly that visiting teaching requires not only an open, loving heart of the VTers, but also of those who are visited. If we don&#8217;t make a choice to let people into our hearts a bit, they can&#8217;t really serve us well. That said, though, I appreciate so much those who make it easier for me to be vulnerable by opening up themselves.</p>
<p>(Case in point: today we talked about housework and how sometimes it just doesn&#8217;t get done. And about spacey brains. And about being imperfect mothers. Good times.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-150486</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will forever be thankful for a Visiting Teacher who was assigned to me over a year ago.  She has children about my age.  On her first visit she brought a list of get-to-know you questions.  She wrote down all my answers.  She brought me a bag of her favorite treats and then the next month she brought my favorite cookies.  It was probably the month after that when my eight year old son was diagnosed with cancer.  She brought gifts for my son.  She arranged childcare while I was at the hospital.  She organized sisters to come clean my house before I could bring my immuno-suppressive child back home.  Every week she&#039;d call with questions regarding how she could help.  She made me feel comfortable enough to tell her that I don&#039;t usually ask for help.

I have expressed my gratitude for her service and for her example as a Visiting Teacher.  Her companion was unable to come with her.  She came every month on her own.  After one of my comments in a Relief Society lesson, the former Relief Society President pulled me aside.  &quot;Did I ever tell you the story about how she became your Visiting Teacher?&quot;  She continued to explain that she was trying to match me up with another sister closer to my age, but this sister&#039;s name kept coming to her mind.  She kept trying to rearrange the assignments.  Finally, she surrendered to the prompting not knowing what would come.

Turns out that her experience with compassionate service was exactly what I needed.  We&#039;ve since had time to talk about all the things we have in common - like choosing the same salad and dessert at Mimi&#039;s Cafe.

The Visiting Teaching program has once again blessed me with one of my dearest friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will forever be thankful for a Visiting Teacher who was assigned to me over a year ago.  She has children about my age.  On her first visit she brought a list of get-to-know you questions.  She wrote down all my answers.  She brought me a bag of her favorite treats and then the next month she brought my favorite cookies.  It was probably the month after that when my eight year old son was diagnosed with cancer.  She brought gifts for my son.  She arranged childcare while I was at the hospital.  She organized sisters to come clean my house before I could bring my immuno-suppressive child back home.  Every week she&#8217;d call with questions regarding how she could help.  She made me feel comfortable enough to tell her that I don&#8217;t usually ask for help.</p>
<p>I have expressed my gratitude for her service and for her example as a Visiting Teacher.  Her companion was unable to come with her.  She came every month on her own.  After one of my comments in a Relief Society lesson, the former Relief Society President pulled me aside.  &#8220;Did I ever tell you the story about how she became your Visiting Teacher?&#8221;  She continued to explain that she was trying to match me up with another sister closer to my age, but this sister&#8217;s name kept coming to her mind.  She kept trying to rearrange the assignments.  Finally, she surrendered to the prompting not knowing what would come.</p>
<p>Turns out that her experience with compassionate service was exactly what I needed.  We&#8217;ve since had time to talk about all the things we have in common &#8211; like choosing the same salad and dessert at Mimi&#8217;s Cafe.</p>
<p>The Visiting Teaching program has once again blessed me with one of my dearest friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the older sisters I have visit taught have &quot;mothered&quot; me, and I love that. I think we become real friends when we move out of the assigned heirarchy and use the opportunity to connect in real ways. Just one example: a wonderful sister who brought me many meals during a difficult pregnancy and invited me over for back rubs and girl time when she could see I was overwhelmed shared that she also felt very loved when my daughter helped her get her mail and I came over to help her with her dogs. She called me for advice on how to entertain visiting children, and I was able to share some books and toys with her. I probably would never have become her friend if I had not been assigned to her. We were are at different life stages, and I honestly find her experience and intelligence a little intimidating. But my life is so much richer because we are friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the older sisters I have visit taught have &#8220;mothered&#8221; me, and I love that. I think we become real friends when we move out of the assigned heirarchy and use the opportunity to connect in real ways. Just one example: a wonderful sister who brought me many meals during a difficult pregnancy and invited me over for back rubs and girl time when she could see I was overwhelmed shared that she also felt very loved when my daughter helped her get her mail and I came over to help her with her dogs. She called me for advice on how to entertain visiting children, and I was able to share some books and toys with her. I probably would never have become her friend if I had not been assigned to her. We were are at different life stages, and I honestly find her experience and intelligence a little intimidating. But my life is so much richer because we are friends.</p>
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		<title>By: jks</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-150477</link>
		<dc:creator>jks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely understand.
I think you will find things might change if you go ahead and treat them like a peer.....which means you go ahead and say to them what you would be willing to say to a peer about them.
&quot;I feel a little intimidated being your visiting teacher.  I wish that I could be a support to you but you are in a different stage of life that I don&#039;t know about yet.  If you were a mom with a new baby, I&#039;d know what you were going through, you know?  So, I hope that I&#039;m not a lousy VT just because I don&#039;t have a clue what you might need.&quot;
Many things put up barriers because it makes people feel different.  Age, race, culture, religion.  It takes effort to tear down the wall that you feel like separates you and start to feel like you can really connect.Keep trying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely understand.<br />
I think you will find things might change if you go ahead and treat them like a peer&#8230;..which means you go ahead and say to them what you would be willing to say to a peer about them.<br />
&#8220;I feel a little intimidated being your visiting teacher.  I wish that I could be a support to you but you are in a different stage of life that I don&#8217;t know about yet.  If you were a mom with a new baby, I&#8217;d know what you were going through, you know?  So, I hope that I&#8217;m not a lousy VT just because I don&#8217;t have a clue what you might need.&#8221;<br />
Many things put up barriers because it makes people feel different.  Age, race, culture, religion.  It takes effort to tear down the wall that you feel like separates you and start to feel like you can really connect.Keep trying!</p>
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		<title>By: FoxyJ</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/daily-special/the-visiting-teaching-hierarchy/#comment-150469</link>
		<dc:creator>FoxyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also a lot more comfortable teaching than being taught. I&#039;ve also never brought treats to people (usually too busy or worried about their dietary needs) and struggle with how to do things beyond a monthly visit and message. I guess I have also never really expected visiting teaching to automatically mean a close friendship. Sometimes things &#039;click&#039; and we become good friends, other times they don&#039;t. Sometimes this is facilitated by similar ages and life circumstances, but I&#039;ve become good friends with visiting teachers who were much older than me or in very different circumstances. Anyways, those are just some of my thoughts; it&#039;s been good to read this discussion and hear the thoughts and experiences of others. Like others have said, more than anything we need time and consistency to allow relationships to develop with others. In my last few wards people tended to be transient and they often changed visiting teaching around a lot. I wish I had had more time to really develop good relationships with some of the people I was assigned to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a lot more comfortable teaching than being taught. I&#8217;ve also never brought treats to people (usually too busy or worried about their dietary needs) and struggle with how to do things beyond a monthly visit and message. I guess I have also never really expected visiting teaching to automatically mean a close friendship. Sometimes things &#8216;click&#8217; and we become good friends, other times they don&#8217;t. Sometimes this is facilitated by similar ages and life circumstances, but I&#8217;ve become good friends with visiting teachers who were much older than me or in very different circumstances. Anyways, those are just some of my thoughts; it&#8217;s been good to read this discussion and hear the thoughts and experiences of others. Like others have said, more than anything we need time and consistency to allow relationships to develop with others. In my last few wards people tended to be transient and they often changed visiting teaching around a lot. I wish I had had more time to really develop good relationships with some of the people I was assigned to.</p>
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		<title>By: ZD Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZD Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Like “tell me who your favorite visiting teachers were and why? what did they do to make you feel loved?” and “what kind of treats do you like for special occasions?”&lt;/i&gt;

These are such great questions. I&#039;d love to see a whole thread on this because I&#039;d love to see what everyone would say.

As I think about it, I&#039;m realizing I&#039;m generally more comfortable visiting-teaching than being visit-taught. I feel awkward being on the receiving end--somehow it&#039;s unnerving to have two strangers sitting on my couch asking me how they can help me, although I know it&#039;s all sincere and well-meant. I find the message especially awkward, particularly when someone just reads it to me. I do see the point of it, but I&#039;ve rarely--if ever--felt that it worked very well in practice. Maybe because I&#039;m a private person, I prefer to know someone quite well before I venture into conversation about personal spiritual things. 

I don&#039;t like it when my VTers gossip, or talk to each other about what they have in common and leave me out of the conversation (I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve all had such experiences.) I don&#039;t like it when the visit stretches out too long. An hour is theabsolute maximum, I think, and it really should be shorter than that, unless there are unusual circumstances.

In my experience VTing works best when I&#039;m with the same people long enough to develop a relationship. The first visit or two is always awkward, but it often improves drastically over time, as we get comfortable with each other. So maybe the thing I value the most is the simple consistency that permits a relationship to develop. And it sounds as if you&#039;re doing an excellent job on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Like “tell me who your favorite visiting teachers were and why? what did they do to make you feel loved?” and “what kind of treats do you like for special occasions?”</i></p>
<p>These are such great questions. I&#8217;d love to see a whole thread on this because I&#8217;d love to see what everyone would say.</p>
<p>As I think about it, I&#8217;m realizing I&#8217;m generally more comfortable visiting-teaching than being visit-taught. I feel awkward being on the receiving end&#8211;somehow it&#8217;s unnerving to have two strangers sitting on my couch asking me how they can help me, although I know it&#8217;s all sincere and well-meant. I find the message especially awkward, particularly when someone just reads it to me. I do see the point of it, but I&#8217;ve rarely&#8211;if ever&#8211;felt that it worked very well in practice. Maybe because I&#8217;m a private person, I prefer to know someone quite well before I venture into conversation about personal spiritual things. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it when my VTers gossip, or talk to each other about what they have in common and leave me out of the conversation (I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ve all had such experiences.) I don&#8217;t like it when the visit stretches out too long. An hour is theabsolute maximum, I think, and it really should be shorter than that, unless there are unusual circumstances.</p>
<p>In my experience VTing works best when I&#8217;m with the same people long enough to develop a relationship. The first visit or two is always awkward, but it often improves drastically over time, as we get comfortable with each other. So maybe the thing I value the most is the simple consistency that permits a relationship to develop. And it sounds as if you&#8217;re doing an excellent job on that.</p>
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