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		<title>By: Carina</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162101</link>
		<dc:creator>Carina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great discussion, all! 

We&#039;re closing comments on this post for the time being.</description>
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<p>We&#8217;re closing comments on this post for the time being.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Lee</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162098</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie, I think it&#039;s clear from your response that I didn&#039;t miss your point at all.

One more point: What a person can handle (emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually) varies a lot from person to person, and therefore, what might lead one person to dark places in the mind, or to divorce (which I don&#039;t buy, but I&#039;m pulling an example from this thread)another might be able to shrug off as entertainment, with no negative effects.

For example, to my regret, I recently saw Paranormal Activity, and it stuck with me in a deep and disturbing way for several days afterward. Violence and gore don&#039;t bother me one bit because, in horror movies especially, the violence is so cartoonish as to be laughable, and I find myself thinking more about the special effects guy than anything else. Paranormal Activity has virtually no violence, and no gore. Instead, it is about a demon who has been pursuing a woman since she was a small child and ...SPOILER ALERT... takes full possession of her at the end of the movie. That&#039;s the kind of thing that gets under my skin, and not in an enlightening or thought-provoking way. I vowed never to see another movie like that again.

My husband, on the other hand, just thought it was funny. And I&#039;ve talked to a couple of other people who think it was boring and dumb, and about as scary as a pancake. Blood and gore are what take them to that dark place, not a lame demon. It&#039;s all about knowing what your soul can handle and what it can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie, I think it&#8217;s clear from your response that I didn&#8217;t miss your point at all.</p>
<p>One more point: What a person can handle (emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually) varies a lot from person to person, and therefore, what might lead one person to dark places in the mind, or to divorce (which I don&#8217;t buy, but I&#8217;m pulling an example from this thread)another might be able to shrug off as entertainment, with no negative effects.</p>
<p>For example, to my regret, I recently saw Paranormal Activity, and it stuck with me in a deep and disturbing way for several days afterward. Violence and gore don&#8217;t bother me one bit because, in horror movies especially, the violence is so cartoonish as to be laughable, and I find myself thinking more about the special effects guy than anything else. Paranormal Activity has virtually no violence, and no gore. Instead, it is about a demon who has been pursuing a woman since she was a small child and &#8230;SPOILER ALERT&#8230; takes full possession of her at the end of the movie. That&#8217;s the kind of thing that gets under my skin, and not in an enlightening or thought-provoking way. I vowed never to see another movie like that again.</p>
<p>My husband, on the other hand, just thought it was funny. And I&#8217;ve talked to a couple of other people who think it was boring and dumb, and about as scary as a pancake. Blood and gore are what take them to that dark place, not a lame demon. It&#8217;s all about knowing what your soul can handle and what it can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Moriah Jovan</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162097</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriah Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Morgan Lee #119:

&lt;blockquote&gt;counsel (which is distinct from commandment, is it not?) &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for making that distinction.</description>
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<blockquote><p>counsel (which is distinct from commandment, is it not?) </p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you for making that distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Moriah Jovan</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162096</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriah Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LizC #104:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have only one movie regret: I’d love to see “The Pianist.” I won’t, though, because of the director. I find his personal life repugnant, and can’t support his work in any way, period. So that’s one movie I’d love to see, but never actually will, in any form.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m right there with you. It&#039;s the only movie (that I can remember) that I truly wanted to see, but put my foot down to say, &quot;No. I will not support that person&#039;s work.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LizC #104:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have only one movie regret: I’d love to see “The Pianist.” I won’t, though, because of the director. I find his personal life repugnant, and can’t support his work in any way, period. So that’s one movie I’d love to see, but never actually will, in any form.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m right there with you. It&#8217;s the only movie (that I can remember) that I truly wanted to see, but put my foot down to say, &#8220;No. I will not support that person&#8217;s work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Lee</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162094</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that a &quot;steady diet&quot; of films (or TV shows, or books) that have casual sex, abundant profanity, characters making immoral decisions that are presented as acceptable, graphic violence, etc. is not good for the mind or soul. But whether or not a movie contains any or all of the above cannot, under any circumstance, be determined by its rating, whether PG or R. I think that&#039;s the point. 

Putting a black and white spin on counsel (which is distinct from commandment, is it not?) may make a person feel safe, assured, or even righteous, and more power to you if it does. But it is not mere rationalization to point out the imperfections of the rating system. Big time directors get whatever rating they request. You all know this, right? God does not rate films; the chuch does not rate films. If they did, I would support a black-and-white take on church counsel. But since this is not the case, it seems silly to base whether or not you view a movie on a rating, rather than a little research into the actual content and moral message of the film (using some sort of filter for what you choose to watch is just wise). 

From some of the comments here, I think some of you think the MPAA is inspired or something. In that case, the MPAA has determined that any R-rated film is appropriate for any 17-year-old. Do you agree? Neither do I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a &#8220;steady diet&#8221; of films (or TV shows, or books) that have casual sex, abundant profanity, characters making immoral decisions that are presented as acceptable, graphic violence, etc. is not good for the mind or soul. But whether or not a movie contains any or all of the above cannot, under any circumstance, be determined by its rating, whether PG or R. I think that&#8217;s the point. </p>
<p>Putting a black and white spin on counsel (which is distinct from commandment, is it not?) may make a person feel safe, assured, or even righteous, and more power to you if it does. But it is not mere rationalization to point out the imperfections of the rating system. Big time directors get whatever rating they request. You all know this, right? God does not rate films; the chuch does not rate films. If they did, I would support a black-and-white take on church counsel. But since this is not the case, it seems silly to base whether or not you view a movie on a rating, rather than a little research into the actual content and moral message of the film (using some sort of filter for what you choose to watch is just wise). </p>
<p>From some of the comments here, I think some of you think the MPAA is inspired or something. In that case, the MPAA has determined that any R-rated film is appropriate for any 17-year-old. Do you agree? Neither do I.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith.Not.Fear</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162093</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith.Not.Fear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an article I stumbled upon today -- basically says what For the Strength of Youth says, with some ideas on how to make Spirit &amp; information-guided decisions.

Christa Skousen, “Out of the Best Books, Movies, or Music,” NewEra, Aug 2009, 20–22
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=bf9f6d5c3d5b2210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an article I stumbled upon today &#8212; basically says what For the Strength of Youth says, with some ideas on how to make Spirit &amp; information-guided decisions.</p>
<p>Christa Skousen, “Out of the Best Books, Movies, or Music,” NewEra, Aug 2009, 20–22<br />
<a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=bf9f6d5c3d5b2210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&#038;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD" rel="nofollow">http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&#038;locale=0&#038;sourceId=bf9f6d5c3d5b2210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&#038;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD</a></p>
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		<title>By: Random Commenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Commenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rating has nothing to do with it. I had a friend who refused to watch any PG-13 movies. So we lied to her and told her &quot;Hitch&quot; was rated PG. She watched the whole thing and loved it. Luckily someone coughed when the F-bomb was dropped, otherwise she might have caught on. But really, why did the fact that she THOUGHT it was PG change her view of the movie? It shouldn&#039;t have. Oh, and after watching the movie she became addicting to PG13 movies and then to R-rated movies and then she left the church from drinking too much caffeine. 

Just kidding, she&#039;s on a mission. And still thinks she&#039;s never seen a PG13 movie. Just use your judgement when picking movies/books/tv/music/whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rating has nothing to do with it. I had a friend who refused to watch any PG-13 movies. So we lied to her and told her &#8220;Hitch&#8221; was rated PG. She watched the whole thing and loved it. Luckily someone coughed when the F-bomb was dropped, otherwise she might have caught on. But really, why did the fact that she THOUGHT it was PG change her view of the movie? It shouldn&#8217;t have. Oh, and after watching the movie she became addicting to PG13 movies and then to R-rated movies and then she left the church from drinking too much caffeine. </p>
<p>Just kidding, she&#8217;s on a mission. And still thinks she&#8217;s never seen a PG13 movie. Just use your judgement when picking movies/books/tv/music/whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather O.</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162072</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, sorry for the double comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, sorry for the double comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like abstaining from TV. I&#039;m fine with the idea that obeying the prophet may mean getting rid of your TV altogether.  Television is pretty gross.

That said, I have to disagree with the idea that watching one rated R movie will keep you out of heaven, and certainly a man watching Schindler&#039;s List isn&#039;t going to somehow snap and immediately turn to pornography or divorce.  But I think the idea, as was mentioned, is that it&#039;s the steady diet of this kind of stuff that leads to bigger sins because of desensitization.  And how much is a steady diet?  How much can your spirit handle? These questions are hard to answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like abstaining from TV. I&#8217;m fine with the idea that obeying the prophet may mean getting rid of your TV altogether.  Television is pretty gross.</p>
<p>That said, I have to disagree with the idea that watching one rated R movie will keep you out of heaven, and certainly a man watching Schindler&#8217;s List isn&#8217;t going to somehow snap and immediately turn to pornography or divorce.  But I think the idea, as was mentioned, is that it&#8217;s the steady diet of this kind of stuff that leads to bigger sins because of desensitization.  And how much is a steady diet?  How much can your spirit handle? These questions are hard to answer.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/slice-of-life/its-rated-what/#comment-162057</link>
		<dc:creator>SilverRain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to this discussion because Allan commented on a &lt;a href=&quot;http://rainscamedown.blogspot.com/2009/07/rated-r-for-rather-not-thank-you.html?showComment=1256745395797&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; I wrote a few months ago on this topic. I re-read it, having forgotten that I had written it. I still think the key to this question is in the &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,30-1-7-7,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For Strength of Youth&lt;/a&gt; pamphlet:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[I]f you have any question about whether a particular movie, book, or other form of entertainment is appropriate, don&#039;t see it, don&#039;t read it, don&#039;t participate.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The bottom line is &lt;I&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;. The pamphlet (our leadership&#039;s most recent word on the subject) makes it clear that you have a responsibility to decide for yourself, not for others, but for yourself.

I think there is a reason ratings are no longer mentioned in the pamphlet. If we try to draw the line for others, we are overstepping our stewardships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to this discussion because Allan commented on a <a href="http://rainscamedown.blogspot.com/2009/07/rated-r-for-rather-not-thank-you.html?showComment=1256745395797" rel="nofollow">post</a> I wrote a few months ago on this topic. I re-read it, having forgotten that I had written it. I still think the key to this question is in the <i><a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,30-1-7-7,00.html" rel="nofollow">For Strength of Youth</a> pamphlet:</i><br />
<blockquote>&#8220;[I]f you have any question about whether a particular movie, book, or other form of entertainment is appropriate, don&#8217;t see it, don&#8217;t read it, don&#8217;t participate.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The bottom line is <i>you</i>. The pamphlet (our leadership&#8217;s most recent word on the subject) makes it clear that you have a responsibility to decide for yourself, not for others, but for yourself.</p>
<p>I think there is a reason ratings are no longer mentioned in the pamphlet. If we try to draw the line for others, we are overstepping our stewardships.</p>
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