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		<title>By: allie</title>
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		<dc:creator>allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed the Babylonian seller block is going on today, although we&#039;re more subtle.  I survived the singles wards, and after 12 years, I finally learned what &quot;FP&quot; stood for.  My guy friend was dating a beautiful young girl and admitted to me that he was shallow and worried about her &quot;FP&quot; because her mother and older sister were heavy.  &quot;What&#039;s FP?&quot; I asked.  &quot;Fat Potential.&quot;  Excuse me!?  He was reluctant to progress the relationship b/c her family had heavy tendencies.  It was alarming to hear that acronymn from other guys after that.  It broke my heart to think that some men look only at surface beauty and can&#039;t appreciate deeper levels of beauty from the Lord&#039;s standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed the Babylonian seller block is going on today, although we&#8217;re more subtle.  I survived the singles wards, and after 12 years, I finally learned what &#8220;FP&#8221; stood for.  My guy friend was dating a beautiful young girl and admitted to me that he was shallow and worried about her &#8220;FP&#8221; because her mother and older sister were heavy.  &#8220;What&#8217;s FP?&#8221; I asked.  &#8220;Fat Potential.&#8221;  Excuse me!?  He was reluctant to progress the relationship b/c her family had heavy tendencies.  It was alarming to hear that acronymn from other guys after that.  It broke my heart to think that some men look only at surface beauty and can&#8217;t appreciate deeper levels of beauty from the Lord&#8217;s standards.</p>
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		<title>By: mb</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173900</link>
		<dc:creator>mb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be &quot;the truth&quot;, but it only is if you believe it.   I know women in their teens, twenties, all the way up to their middle agedness who, for whatever reason, have been able to ignore the popular meat-market culture, feel fine about their non-prom-queen selves, and avoid falling into all the second-guessing, second-class citizen traps.  They think the mormonbachelorpad guys are looneys and ignore the fashion magazines and are fine with their shape and the color of their hair (though none of them like their zits).  They don&#039;t mind at all that they are not the ones in the photo shoots, though they do appreciate the work that goes into the good looks of those who are.

To those women, the &quot;truth&quot; may be going on all around them but they are not buying it.  They know otherwise.

How to we help the women who don&#039;t know what these wise women know?  What are the factors that we can control in our own lives so that we are also free to not buy this &quot;truth&quot;?

The &quot;Babylonian marriage market&quot; causes way too much needless angst, bitterness and rage among too many women.  That market continue in some aspects of our society, in spite of our best efforts to eradicate it.  So the question I would pose is not, how do you change it, but how do you facilitate complete disregard for it among the women and men you love?

It can be done.  Let&#039;s get specific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be &#8220;the truth&#8221;, but it only is if you believe it.   I know women in their teens, twenties, all the way up to their middle agedness who, for whatever reason, have been able to ignore the popular meat-market culture, feel fine about their non-prom-queen selves, and avoid falling into all the second-guessing, second-class citizen traps.  They think the mormonbachelorpad guys are looneys and ignore the fashion magazines and are fine with their shape and the color of their hair (though none of them like their zits).  They don&#8217;t mind at all that they are not the ones in the photo shoots, though they do appreciate the work that goes into the good looks of those who are.</p>
<p>To those women, the &#8220;truth&#8221; may be going on all around them but they are not buying it.  They know otherwise.</p>
<p>How to we help the women who don&#8217;t know what these wise women know?  What are the factors that we can control in our own lives so that we are also free to not buy this &#8220;truth&#8221;?</p>
<p>The &#8220;Babylonian marriage market&#8221; causes way too much needless angst, bitterness and rage among too many women.  That market continue in some aspects of our society, in spite of our best efforts to eradicate it.  So the question I would pose is not, how do you change it, but how do you facilitate complete disregard for it among the women and men you love?</p>
<p>It can be done.  Let&#8217;s get specific.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to get too off topic. But, I browsed around for a few minutes, and that website (mormonbachelorpad) is seriously disturbing. The sick and sad thing is that those men honestly believe they represent most other single-LDS men. It is sad to think that they think every other man in their demographic is as shallow and masochistic. Feel sorry for their girlfriends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to get too off topic. But, I browsed around for a few minutes, and that website (mormonbachelorpad) is seriously disturbing. The sick and sad thing is that those men honestly believe they represent most other single-LDS men. It is sad to think that they think every other man in their demographic is as shallow and masochistic. Feel sorry for their girlfriends.</p>
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		<title>By: RunnerMom</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173876</link>
		<dc:creator>RunnerMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the poem, Sue!</description>
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		<title>By: Marla</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173875</link>
		<dc:creator>Marla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JenSwen: The blog I referenced is mormonbachelorpad.blogspot.com. You can find a link to their &quot;Looks Only Scale&quot; on the left panel. I only wonder, Is that blog for real?

Moniker Challenged: The exhibit left BYU last October.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JenSwen: The blog I referenced is mormonbachelorpad.blogspot.com. You can find a link to their &#8220;Looks Only Scale&#8221; on the left panel. I only wonder, Is that blog for real?</p>
<p>Moniker Challenged: The exhibit left BYU last October.</p>
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		<title>By: Moniker Challenged</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moniker Challenged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this exhibit still running?  I didn&#039;t have a lot of luck navigating the MOA website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this exhibit still running?  I didn&#8217;t have a lot of luck navigating the MOA website.</p>
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		<title>By: Tasha</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173864</link>
		<dc:creator>Tasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this! I loved that they included this piece in that exhibit because of the conversation it generates, and it&#039;s nice to see that conversation continuing even now that the exhibit is over. 

It&#039;s things like these that make me so grateful for the gospel. I&#039;ve found that as I have gotten closer to my Heavenly Father, He has taught me who I really am. And some days I still struggle with the voices of the world criticizing me, but it is then that the sweet voice of the Spirit whispers, &quot;God is pleased with who you are, so nothing else matters.&quot;

I guess it just goes to show that the world hasn&#039;t changed that much, and the love of Jesus Christ is really the only power that can help us overcome the adversary&#039;s unceasing attacks. Thank goodness for the gospel in our lives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this! I loved that they included this piece in that exhibit because of the conversation it generates, and it&#8217;s nice to see that conversation continuing even now that the exhibit is over. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s things like these that make me so grateful for the gospel. I&#8217;ve found that as I have gotten closer to my Heavenly Father, He has taught me who I really am. And some days I still struggle with the voices of the world criticizing me, but it is then that the sweet voice of the Spirit whispers, &#8220;God is pleased with who you are, so nothing else matters.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess it just goes to show that the world hasn&#8217;t changed that much, and the love of Jesus Christ is really the only power that can help us overcome the adversary&#8217;s unceasing attacks. Thank goodness for the gospel in our lives!</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173863</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spoke briefly to our singles ward last Sunday, and this is one of the issues that came to my mind. I wasn&#039;t sure how to present the concept tactfully, so I wrote the following poem:

How to Date Your Spiritual Mate
©2010 Susan Noyes Anderson

I hope you’ll listen to my take
on how to find a mate.
My vision is unique and wise.
My counsel is first-rate. 

I know what works and what does not.
I know what’s tried and true.
(And if you don’t believe me, look
at who I’m married to!)

And so, with that strong evidence
of my own expertise,
I’ll tell you how to find a mate
that’s guaranteed to please.

But first, I think that I’ll begin
with this: What NOT to do.
Or maybe I should say what not
to pay attention to.

Some people look with worldly eyes
to find their perfect match.
Not good! This method just might make
you miss out on a catch!

The worldly eye’s a stink-eye;
it’s obsessed with imperfections.
From head to toe and back, it scouts out
reasons for rejections.

That dude’s not hot enough for you…
That chick’s too short, too tall.
That guy’s too round, too dark, too pale,
too big, too bald, too small.

That girl’s too freckle-faced, too white,
too tan, too thin, too plump.
And what’s that on her face…a mole?!
Does her nose have…a bump?!

His jaw’s too strong; his jaw’s too weak;
his chin could use a cleft.
And look at her…I think her right eye’s
bigger than her left!

His mouth’s too wide; his lips get chapped;
his cheeks are way too red.
I couldn’t date him. Look, a vein
sticks out in his forehead!

Is that a beauty mark or zit?
Hey, this could be genetic!
Why couldn’t she have dimples?
Is her hair kinda…frenetic?

I kid you not! That worldly eye
is way too harsh. It’s true!
If you could turn it on yourself,
that eye would rule out YOU!!

So think about consulting with
your spirit eyes instead.
Look for your spirit mate when you’re
deciding who to wed.

You’ll recognize this spirit mate,
but not by how he looks.
You likely won’t hear magic bells
or swoon, like story books.

You may not turn first hot, then cold,
then lose your power to speak.
You may not even float on clouds,
faint dead away, or shriek.

What you will do is find a friend,
who finds a friend in you.
You’ll talk a lot and share a lot.
You’ll like his point of view.

Your goals will be as similar
as the beliefs you hold.
With her, you’ll neither be too shy
nor need to be too bold.

You’ll feel at home in your own skin,
not one-down or one-up.
You’ll want to make him happy, and
he’ll want to fill your cup.

You’ll find yourself more generous,
less governed by your pride.
You’ll listen more, feel more respect,
and lose your selfish side.

You’ll notice that, together, you
are better than apart.
You’ll trust each other with your dreams
and later, with your heart.

Don’t give that heart away too soon;
trust ought to take some time.
You need to see how this gal works.
Do mountains make her climb?...

Or sit down and give up, or
run away, or lean on you?
You’ll make sure she’s committed
to her faith and to you, too.

(Not the band, the person, meaning
You, too, not U2.)
The thing is, just be sure she’ll hang.
Make sure he’s tried and true.

You’ll find in him a listener
who cares just how you feel.
You’ll watch him serving others, and
you’ll know his love is real.

You’ll make sure that your backgrounds gel
on things that really count.
Like how to raise a family…
How to use your bank account.

You’ll understand each other, and
accept the things you see.
You won’t expect her to be more
than you’re willing to be.

And yet you’ll want to be your best…
Hey, why not start that now?
What better way could you prepare
to take a solemn vow?

The person you attract is bound
to be a lot like you.
So strive to be more faithful, kind,
wise, fun, and healthy, too!

Sure, make yourself desirable
in every way you can;
it&#039;s only going to help you find
that woman or that man.

But seek your spirit mate; don’t
trophy date, because the prize
is someone you can only see
through your spiritual eyes.

Good looks are fun, but fleeting…
like tinsel on a tree.
But goodness lasts forever.
Choose well, for eternity.

Thankfully, it went over well. I even stuck it on my blog, hoping my son will read it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke briefly to our singles ward last Sunday, and this is one of the issues that came to my mind. I wasn&#8217;t sure how to present the concept tactfully, so I wrote the following poem:</p>
<p>How to Date Your Spiritual Mate<br />
©2010 Susan Noyes Anderson</p>
<p>I hope you’ll listen to my take<br />
on how to find a mate.<br />
My vision is unique and wise.<br />
My counsel is first-rate. </p>
<p>I know what works and what does not.<br />
I know what’s tried and true.<br />
(And if you don’t believe me, look<br />
at who I’m married to!)</p>
<p>And so, with that strong evidence<br />
of my own expertise,<br />
I’ll tell you how to find a mate<br />
that’s guaranteed to please.</p>
<p>But first, I think that I’ll begin<br />
with this: What NOT to do.<br />
Or maybe I should say what not<br />
to pay attention to.</p>
<p>Some people look with worldly eyes<br />
to find their perfect match.<br />
Not good! This method just might make<br />
you miss out on a catch!</p>
<p>The worldly eye’s a stink-eye;<br />
it’s obsessed with imperfections.<br />
From head to toe and back, it scouts out<br />
reasons for rejections.</p>
<p>That dude’s not hot enough for you…<br />
That chick’s too short, too tall.<br />
That guy’s too round, too dark, too pale,<br />
too big, too bald, too small.</p>
<p>That girl’s too freckle-faced, too white,<br />
too tan, too thin, too plump.<br />
And what’s that on her face…a mole?!<br />
Does her nose have…a bump?!</p>
<p>His jaw’s too strong; his jaw’s too weak;<br />
his chin could use a cleft.<br />
And look at her…I think her right eye’s<br />
bigger than her left!</p>
<p>His mouth’s too wide; his lips get chapped;<br />
his cheeks are way too red.<br />
I couldn’t date him. Look, a vein<br />
sticks out in his forehead!</p>
<p>Is that a beauty mark or zit?<br />
Hey, this could be genetic!<br />
Why couldn’t she have dimples?<br />
Is her hair kinda…frenetic?</p>
<p>I kid you not! That worldly eye<br />
is way too harsh. It’s true!<br />
If you could turn it on yourself,<br />
that eye would rule out YOU!!</p>
<p>So think about consulting with<br />
your spirit eyes instead.<br />
Look for your spirit mate when you’re<br />
deciding who to wed.</p>
<p>You’ll recognize this spirit mate,<br />
but not by how he looks.<br />
You likely won’t hear magic bells<br />
or swoon, like story books.</p>
<p>You may not turn first hot, then cold,<br />
then lose your power to speak.<br />
You may not even float on clouds,<br />
faint dead away, or shriek.</p>
<p>What you will do is find a friend,<br />
who finds a friend in you.<br />
You’ll talk a lot and share a lot.<br />
You’ll like his point of view.</p>
<p>Your goals will be as similar<br />
as the beliefs you hold.<br />
With her, you’ll neither be too shy<br />
nor need to be too bold.</p>
<p>You’ll feel at home in your own skin,<br />
not one-down or one-up.<br />
You’ll want to make him happy, and<br />
he’ll want to fill your cup.</p>
<p>You’ll find yourself more generous,<br />
less governed by your pride.<br />
You’ll listen more, feel more respect,<br />
and lose your selfish side.</p>
<p>You’ll notice that, together, you<br />
are better than apart.<br />
You’ll trust each other with your dreams<br />
and later, with your heart.</p>
<p>Don’t give that heart away too soon;<br />
trust ought to take some time.<br />
You need to see how this gal works.<br />
Do mountains make her climb?&#8230;</p>
<p>Or sit down and give up, or<br />
run away, or lean on you?<br />
You’ll make sure she’s committed<br />
to her faith and to you, too.</p>
<p>(Not the band, the person, meaning<br />
You, too, not U2.)<br />
The thing is, just be sure she’ll hang.<br />
Make sure he’s tried and true.</p>
<p>You’ll find in him a listener<br />
who cares just how you feel.<br />
You’ll watch him serving others, and<br />
you’ll know his love is real.</p>
<p>You’ll make sure that your backgrounds gel<br />
on things that really count.<br />
Like how to raise a family…<br />
How to use your bank account.</p>
<p>You’ll understand each other, and<br />
accept the things you see.<br />
You won’t expect her to be more<br />
than you’re willing to be.</p>
<p>And yet you’ll want to be your best…<br />
Hey, why not start that now?<br />
What better way could you prepare<br />
to take a solemn vow?</p>
<p>The person you attract is bound<br />
to be a lot like you.<br />
So strive to be more faithful, kind,<br />
wise, fun, and healthy, too!</p>
<p>Sure, make yourself desirable<br />
in every way you can;<br />
it&#8217;s only going to help you find<br />
that woman or that man.</p>
<p>But seek your spirit mate; don’t<br />
trophy date, because the prize<br />
is someone you can only see<br />
through your spiritual eyes.</p>
<p>Good looks are fun, but fleeting…<br />
like tinsel on a tree.<br />
But goodness lasts forever.<br />
Choose well, for eternity.</p>
<p>Thankfully, it went over well. I even stuck it on my blog, hoping my son will read it!</p>
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		<title>By: Selwyn</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173856</link>
		<dc:creator>Selwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband said he &quot;didn&#039;t want to be married to [me] anymore&quot;, and moved in with someone younger, thinner and more acceptable-norm pretty than I am.  A big lesson I learnt from that is pretty on the outside can hide a whole lot of ugly. And beauty on the inside shines to the outside.

Oddly, I almost instantaneously distrust traditionally beautiful people, and have since my teens. I guess I won&#039;t be at the Babylonian Marriage Market any time soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband said he &#8220;didn&#8217;t want to be married to [me] anymore&#8221;, and moved in with someone younger, thinner and more acceptable-norm pretty than I am.  A big lesson I learnt from that is pretty on the outside can hide a whole lot of ugly. And beauty on the inside shines to the outside.</p>
<p>Oddly, I almost instantaneously distrust traditionally beautiful people, and have since my teens. I guess I won&#8217;t be at the Babylonian Marriage Market any time soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/i-learned-the-truth-at-seventeen/#comment-173854</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All in the women in the painting look so beautiful to me.  I don&#039;t believe anyone is born ordinary--in appearance or talents.  When we begin to see the true beauty in ourselves and others, we will experience more peace and contentment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in the women in the painting look so beautiful to me.  I don&#8217;t believe anyone is born ordinary&#8211;in appearance or talents.  When we begin to see the true beauty in ourselves and others, we will experience more peace and contentment.</p>
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