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		<title>By: Johnna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for all the protests that Stephenie Meyer is a &quot;mediocre&quot; writer, she sure puts out a page-turner.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://the-marina.blogspot.com/2008/07/entertainment-weekly-cover-features.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Entertainment weekly did a promo for the movie as the cover story, see the cover.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for all the protests that Stephenie Meyer is a &#8220;mediocre&#8221; writer, she sure puts out a page-turner.</p>
<p><a href="http://the-marina.blogspot.com/2008/07/entertainment-weekly-cover-features.html" rel="nofollow">Entertainment weekly did a promo for the movie as the cover story, see the cover.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  I enjoy reading the books, but as my husband and I said this morning it is a fluff read.  We both read quite a bit (we rarely watch TV anymore) and sometimes we read classic literature, sometimes gospel books and sometimes just fluff.  My life is busy and it is nice to leave my world every once in a while and enjoy a fluff read.  I think Stephenie Meyer&#039;s story is compelling, but she is a mediocre writer that losses a lot of opportunities to make the books more interesting.  I am reading the books again so I can be aware of the details for the 4th book-- just like I did each time with Harry Potter (which is my favorite series of all time) and then it will go on the shelf.  I do not think these books are good for young girls.  Both Edward and Bella are young and very obsessed with each other-- not healthy at all.  I agree 100% with the woman who said she would not have married her husband if he had been a vampire.  I love living in society with my children, family and friends.  My husband is wonderful, but I can&#039;t imagine a life with just us and leaving EVERYONE else I love forever!  Once again nice fluff, but there are much better books out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  I enjoy reading the books, but as my husband and I said this morning it is a fluff read.  We both read quite a bit (we rarely watch TV anymore) and sometimes we read classic literature, sometimes gospel books and sometimes just fluff.  My life is busy and it is nice to leave my world every once in a while and enjoy a fluff read.  I think Stephenie Meyer&#8217;s story is compelling, but she is a mediocre writer that losses a lot of opportunities to make the books more interesting.  I am reading the books again so I can be aware of the details for the 4th book&#8211; just like I did each time with Harry Potter (which is my favorite series of all time) and then it will go on the shelf.  I do not think these books are good for young girls.  Both Edward and Bella are young and very obsessed with each other&#8211; not healthy at all.  I agree 100% with the woman who said she would not have married her husband if he had been a vampire.  I love living in society with my children, family and friends.  My husband is wonderful, but I can&#8217;t imagine a life with just us and leaving EVERYONE else I love forever!  Once again nice fluff, but there are much better books out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://segullah.org/up-close/the-best-books-exploring-lds-literature/twilight-discuss/#comment-80028</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger, I appreciate where you&#039;re coming from.  I agree with you that the book isn&#039;t intended to be a literary masterpiece.  But I think that people also have the right to look at a work of art (and a novel is a work of art, no matter its genre) from a critical standpoint.  And although Meyer has said that the book&#039;s plot came to her in a dream, I&#039;m sure the writing of the book itself was far from &quot;dreamlike.&quot; She sat down at her computer every day with an artist&#039;s intention to create something meaningful.  And she HAS created something meaningful to a huge number of people, which makes her methods an intentions definitely worthy of a close critical look.

Meyer has had a lot of well-deserved success--she&#039;s written a book that has captivated millions of readers, so she&#039;s doing many things right--but the fact that her book was intended to be escapist and fun doesn&#039;t mean it should be immune from criticism.  And just because some people found flaws in the book doesn&#039;t make those people &quot;snobby,&quot; a term that obviously has some derogatory connotations. Most of the  comments here addressed problems with character and story--elements that are very important when writing escapist genre fiction. It didn&#039;t seem to me that the comments on this blog were written by people who &quot;feel they have to beat the book down.&quot;  Many of them were written by people who agreed that Twilight is escapist fiction but felt that the book had flaws even when considering the rules and expectations of that genre.  

I&#039;m sure Stephenie Meyer herself understands that different readers will come away from her work with different opinions and experiences.  In a way, I believe that the conversation here *validates* Meyer, because people are thinking about and talking about the work of art that she created.  One of the many reasons we read--even &quot;book candy&quot; like Twilight--is to be able to have conversations like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger, I appreciate where you&#8217;re coming from.  I agree with you that the book isn&#8217;t intended to be a literary masterpiece.  But I think that people also have the right to look at a work of art (and a novel is a work of art, no matter its genre) from a critical standpoint.  And although Meyer has said that the book&#8217;s plot came to her in a dream, I&#8217;m sure the writing of the book itself was far from &#8220;dreamlike.&#8221; She sat down at her computer every day with an artist&#8217;s intention to create something meaningful.  And she HAS created something meaningful to a huge number of people, which makes her methods an intentions definitely worthy of a close critical look.</p>
<p>Meyer has had a lot of well-deserved success&#8211;she&#8217;s written a book that has captivated millions of readers, so she&#8217;s doing many things right&#8211;but the fact that her book was intended to be escapist and fun doesn&#8217;t mean it should be immune from criticism.  And just because some people found flaws in the book doesn&#8217;t make those people &#8220;snobby,&#8221; a term that obviously has some derogatory connotations. Most of the  comments here addressed problems with character and story&#8211;elements that are very important when writing escapist genre fiction. It didn&#8217;t seem to me that the comments on this blog were written by people who &#8220;feel they have to beat the book down.&#8221;  Many of them were written by people who agreed that Twilight is escapist fiction but felt that the book had flaws even when considering the rules and expectations of that genre.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Stephenie Meyer herself understands that different readers will come away from her work with different opinions and experiences.  In a way, I believe that the conversation here *validates* Meyer, because people are thinking about and talking about the work of art that she created.  One of the many reasons we read&#8211;even &#8220;book candy&#8221; like Twilight&#8211;is to be able to have conversations like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 04:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - why can&#039;t Twilight just be a little escapism, remembering when and having a little fun?  I&#039;m surprised at the snobby literary tone in this blog by those who feel like they have to beat the book down.  Twilight wasn&#039;t written to change the world, win a Pulitzer and yeah, duh, it isn&#039;t rocket science.  It was Stephenie Meyer&#039;s dream.  Haven&#039;t most of us had a similar one or at least wanted to have a similar one?  Kudos to her for taking the time to write it down and get it published.  I&#039;m not a teenager - I&#039;m an educated, well-read, 50 year old woman enjoying the &quot;book candy&quot; and a little break away from reality.   Angela - your brother&#039;s blog is hysterical!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; why can&#8217;t Twilight just be a little escapism, remembering when and having a little fun?  I&#8217;m surprised at the snobby literary tone in this blog by those who feel like they have to beat the book down.  Twilight wasn&#8217;t written to change the world, win a Pulitzer and yeah, duh, it isn&#8217;t rocket science.  It was Stephenie Meyer&#8217;s dream.  Haven&#8217;t most of us had a similar one or at least wanted to have a similar one?  Kudos to her for taking the time to write it down and get it published.  I&#8217;m not a teenager &#8211; I&#8217;m an educated, well-read, 50 year old woman enjoying the &#8220;book candy&#8221; and a little break away from reality.   Angela &#8211; your brother&#8217;s blog is hysterical!</p>
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		<title>By: A Motley Vision &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stephanie Meyer&#8217;s Mormonism and the &#8220;erotics of abstinence&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Motley Vision &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stephanie Meyer&#8217;s Mormonism and the &#8220;erotics of abstinence&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See: Squeaky Clean by Anneka Majors (AMV); Twilight: Discuss by Angela Hallstrom (Blog Segullah); The Twilight Series for Dummies (Normal Mormon Husbands); Jana [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See: Squeaky Clean by Anneka Majors (AMV); Twilight: Discuss by Angela Hallstrom (Blog Segullah); The Twilight Series for Dummies (Normal Mormon Husbands); Jana [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dalene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh great. Now I&#039;m going to have to read the book, because my daughter will want to see the movie and I refuse to see a movie based on a book until I have read the book (can you say DaVinci Code?).

Ri--I have never been quite so creeped out in my own city--here in the heart of &quot;happy valley&quot;--as when I took my daughter late at night to purchase the third book at its debut. The word skanky is a tad weak for what I witnessed. It&#039;s one thing to see a 10-year-old boy dressed up in some Harry Potter glasses and a lightening bolt &quot;tatoo.&quot; It&#039;s another thing entirely to see a 10-year-old girl (dozens of them really) scantily clad, with fake blood dripping down her neck. Or all the 16-year-old wanna-be Bellas with wanna-be Edwards on their arms and fake blood dripping down everyone&#039;s necks. Even worse was watching the 50-60-year-old men who so obviously were not anyone&#039;s &quot;uncle&quot; cruising back and forth past the crowd in their beat-up 72&#039; Gremlins. My skin still crawls just remembering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great. Now I&#8217;m going to have to read the book, because my daughter will want to see the movie and I refuse to see a movie based on a book until I have read the book (can you say DaVinci Code?).</p>
<p>Ri&#8211;I have never been quite so creeped out in my own city&#8211;here in the heart of &#8220;happy valley&#8221;&#8211;as when I took my daughter late at night to purchase the third book at its debut. The word skanky is a tad weak for what I witnessed. It&#8217;s one thing to see a 10-year-old boy dressed up in some Harry Potter glasses and a lightening bolt &#8220;tatoo.&#8221; It&#8217;s another thing entirely to see a 10-year-old girl (dozens of them really) scantily clad, with fake blood dripping down her neck. Or all the 16-year-old wanna-be Bellas with wanna-be Edwards on their arms and fake blood dripping down everyone&#8217;s necks. Even worse was watching the 50-60-year-old men who so obviously were not anyone&#8217;s &#8220;uncle&#8221; cruising back and forth past the crowd in their beat-up 72&#8242; Gremlins. My skin still crawls just remembering.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twilight is coming as a movie this December.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1585900&amp;vid=226476&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Preview footage.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twilight is coming as a movie this December.<br />
<a href="http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1585900&amp;vid=226476" rel="nofollow">Preview footage.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read Twilight, I was captiviated at first, but after re-reading it and re-reading it, I soon just found it as another book that I had on my shelf that I liked. 

I think what really killed my enjoyment of the book was going to a book signing and seeing all the teenage fangirls who kept screaming. I think atleast one of them started hyperventalating when it was told that Jacob Black was single. 

Still, I find them decent books, even if the third book did make my eyes pop open in one or two scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read Twilight, I was captiviated at first, but after re-reading it and re-reading it, I soon just found it as another book that I had on my shelf that I liked. </p>
<p>I think what really killed my enjoyment of the book was going to a book signing and seeing all the teenage fangirls who kept screaming. I think atleast one of them started hyperventalating when it was told that Jacob Black was single. </p>
<p>Still, I find them decent books, even if the third book did make my eyes pop open in one or two scenes.</p>
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		<title>By: HCJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Props to Proud Daughter of Eve and Angela. I appreciate what you said. 

First: what Meyers has accomplished as an LDS woman is terrific. What a terrific thing to write a bestselling, mainstream novel since very few LDS writers, nevermind LDS writers, have reached this level of success. Well done. May she be the first of many writers to be recognized.

That being said...

I wish I could like these books. Like Heather O., my teen daughters and I are Joss-Verse lovers and know the Buffy-Angel mythos well. We read these books anticipating that we would find them derivative so our expectations were low. However, we were in the mood for some good escapist fiction and we&#039;d heard such raves about these books that we gave them a shot. All four of us hated them (age 12, twins at 16 and me at 40). Maybe we&#039;re too picky. Maybe we were coming off our &quot;Deathy Hallows&quot; high and they suffered by comparison. Maybe the fact that we had just relocated thousands of miles away from our Oregon home to start an overseas expatriate assignment tainted our POV. I&#039;d probably have to reread them to be sure that I&#039;m being fair.  

But what continues to trouble me, lo all these months later, is when I&#039;ve heard friends and acquaintances promote this book as &quot;wholesome, virtuous&quot; reading, mostly because of the LDS author angle. These books, especially the latter ones, are every bit as titilating as a lot of romance fiction out there. Just because there isn&#039;t explicitly physiological sexual content doesn&#039;t mean that these books are &quot;pure.&quot; I&#039;ve heard a lot of women--including several friends and my sisters--rationalize why &quot;Twilight&quot; is okay but other chick-lit isn&#039;t. 

I&#039;m bugged by the double standard. They make excuses for the sensuality in the book while I hear these same people condemn books their children are assigned to read for school (hello Isabella Allende) or won&#039;t let their kids watch TV/film that have the same kind of content that is in the &quot;Twilight&quot; books. 

If some LDS readers would evaluate the &quot;Twilight&quot; books by the same standards they apply to other media, I would be less annoyed by them. So for me, the problem isn&#039;t as much &quot;Twilight&quot; as a book but the Mormon cultural phenomenon that has sprung up around it. Call the book what it is: mainstream romance fantasy fiction. Don&#039;t apply a different standard to the content because the author is LDS.

From a strictly literary perspective, the books are adequately written-totally a popcorn read. &quot;Twilight&quot; was, IMHO, the best of the three writing wise. The premise, the evocative location, the characters--all decently done. Unfortunately by the last book Meyers suffers from what my literature loving friends and I call the &quot;exposition fairy&quot; syndrome where she has loads of backstory she wants to get into her book but it isn&#039;t smoothly integrated into the text. It becomes pretty plodding. In our house, the teenage daughters and I felt the single biggest problem was that Meyers set Bella and Edward up as the ideal dream couple, but that Jacob was actually a more interesting, more likeable character. I think both pairings (Bella/Edward, Bella/Jacob) are flawed, but at least Bella as a character is less annoying when she&#039;s around Jacob.

Will we read the 4th book? When we were walking through the Rome airport night before last, we saw a copy of &quot;Twilight&quot; in the bookstore. One of my twin daughters said, &quot;I can&#039;t BELIEVE that book is HERE in Italy&quot; and she made a gagging noise. In the next breath she said, &quot;I wonder if I&#039;ll hate myself enough to read the next one. As awful as they are, I might have to see the train wreck for myself.&quot; 

Maybe that&#039;s what it will come down to for me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props to Proud Daughter of Eve and Angela. I appreciate what you said. </p>
<p>First: what Meyers has accomplished as an LDS woman is terrific. What a terrific thing to write a bestselling, mainstream novel since very few LDS writers, nevermind LDS writers, have reached this level of success. Well done. May she be the first of many writers to be recognized.</p>
<p>That being said&#8230;</p>
<p>I wish I could like these books. Like Heather O., my teen daughters and I are Joss-Verse lovers and know the Buffy-Angel mythos well. We read these books anticipating that we would find them derivative so our expectations were low. However, we were in the mood for some good escapist fiction and we&#8217;d heard such raves about these books that we gave them a shot. All four of us hated them (age 12, twins at 16 and me at 40). Maybe we&#8217;re too picky. Maybe we were coming off our &#8220;Deathy Hallows&#8221; high and they suffered by comparison. Maybe the fact that we had just relocated thousands of miles away from our Oregon home to start an overseas expatriate assignment tainted our POV. I&#8217;d probably have to reread them to be sure that I&#8217;m being fair.  </p>
<p>But what continues to trouble me, lo all these months later, is when I&#8217;ve heard friends and acquaintances promote this book as &#8220;wholesome, virtuous&#8221; reading, mostly because of the LDS author angle. These books, especially the latter ones, are every bit as titilating as a lot of romance fiction out there. Just because there isn&#8217;t explicitly physiological sexual content doesn&#8217;t mean that these books are &#8220;pure.&#8221; I&#8217;ve heard a lot of women&#8211;including several friends and my sisters&#8211;rationalize why &#8220;Twilight&#8221; is okay but other chick-lit isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m bugged by the double standard. They make excuses for the sensuality in the book while I hear these same people condemn books their children are assigned to read for school (hello Isabella Allende) or won&#8217;t let their kids watch TV/film that have the same kind of content that is in the &#8220;Twilight&#8221; books. </p>
<p>If some LDS readers would evaluate the &#8220;Twilight&#8221; books by the same standards they apply to other media, I would be less annoyed by them. So for me, the problem isn&#8217;t as much &#8220;Twilight&#8221; as a book but the Mormon cultural phenomenon that has sprung up around it. Call the book what it is: mainstream romance fantasy fiction. Don&#8217;t apply a different standard to the content because the author is LDS.</p>
<p>From a strictly literary perspective, the books are adequately written-totally a popcorn read. &#8220;Twilight&#8221; was, IMHO, the best of the three writing wise. The premise, the evocative location, the characters&#8211;all decently done. Unfortunately by the last book Meyers suffers from what my literature loving friends and I call the &#8220;exposition fairy&#8221; syndrome where she has loads of backstory she wants to get into her book but it isn&#8217;t smoothly integrated into the text. It becomes pretty plodding. In our house, the teenage daughters and I felt the single biggest problem was that Meyers set Bella and Edward up as the ideal dream couple, but that Jacob was actually a more interesting, more likeable character. I think both pairings (Bella/Edward, Bella/Jacob) are flawed, but at least Bella as a character is less annoying when she&#8217;s around Jacob.</p>
<p>Will we read the 4th book? When we were walking through the Rome airport night before last, we saw a copy of &#8220;Twilight&#8221; in the bookstore. One of my twin daughters said, &#8220;I can&#8217;t BELIEVE that book is HERE in Italy&#8221; and she made a gagging noise. In the next breath she said, &#8220;I wonder if I&#8217;ll hate myself enough to read the next one. As awful as they are, I might have to see the train wreck for myself.&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s what it will come down to for me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ang - Thanks for the link to my blog for a guy&#039;s take on Twilight (http://mormonhusbands.blogpsot.com). I have read all three of the Twilight books and agree with MissMel&#039;s &quot;book candy&quot; comment. I tend to devour both novels and candy (in fact, I was gnawing on an Idaho Spud for most of New Moon), so I&#039;m on solid ground. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ang &#8211; Thanks for the link to my blog for a guy&#8217;s take on Twilight (<a href="http://mormonhusbands.blogpsot.com" rel="nofollow">http://mormonhusbands.blogpsot.com</a>). I have read all three of the Twilight books and agree with MissMel&#8217;s &#8220;book candy&#8221; comment. I tend to devour both novels and candy (in fact, I was gnawing on an Idaho Spud for most of New Moon), so I&#8217;m on solid ground. Keep up the good work.</p>
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